Atomic Systems

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Why has he put a deadline date of 25th February for any discounted extras, he obviously doesn't get paid monthly!!!! February pay date in this country is Thursday 28th, some folks won't have anything left before this day and the annual fee on his site is £30, so, some folks will have to go without then because he's an idiot and can't do basic financing, a good start to exclude people from day one, isn't it, another typical amateur that doesn't know the first thing about running a supposedly professional business, sheeeeeesh.
And why is he selling Just Trains products on his site when they have their own website, surely, a link to their site would have sufficed, and he talks about giving a proportion of sales revenues to the developers, surely, they should get it all, otherwise, what is the point of letting him sell content on their behalf, if he takes 30-50% commission, something not quite right with this set up.

Cheerz. Steve.

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TheCatOfWar wrote:repeat for every next reskin, route, scenario you want to install

gptech wrote:
Just what do you need to extract from a .ap archive in order to make a route or scenario work?...OK, if you haven't the stock a scenario uses you'd have to download and install a reskin which may involve an extraction of a single file from an archive but routes rarely need any assets extracting from archives to make them work. Even when that may be necessary it's not to make the route work as such, but to make a referenced (reskinned) asset available.
The whole issue of it *being so much hassle to extract things* is/has become overblown somewhat.

TheCatOfWar wrote: The intention would never be to kill any website or part of the community, just speed up and simplify the process of installing things.

Any other questions or concerns about any of this feel free to ask

SkylineBoy wrote: Like I said above I was happy to apologise if I got the wrong end of the stick and I often do! Please accept my apologies.

TransportSteve wrote: Why has he put a deadline date of 25th February for any discounted extras, he obviously doesn't get paid monthly!!!! February pay date in this country is Thursday 28th, some folks won't have anything left before this day and the annual fee on his site is £30, so, some folks will have to go without then because he's an idiot and can't do basic financing, a good start to exclude people from day one, isn't it, another typical amateur that doesn't know the first thing about running a supposedly professional business, sheeeeeesh.
And why is he selling Just Trains products on his site when they have their own website, surely, a link to their site would have sufficed, and he talks about giving a proportion of sales revenues to the developers, surely, they should get it all, otherwise, what is the point of letting him sell content on their behalf, if he takes 30-50% commission, something not quite right with this set up.

Cheerz. Steve.

TheCatOfWar wrote:If you're just going to keep nitpicking things I said earlier

TheCatOfWar wrote:

gptech wrote:
Just what do you need to extract from a .ap archive in order to make a route or scenario work?...OK, if you haven't the stock a scenario uses you'd have to download and install a reskin which may involve an extraction of a single file from an archive but routes rarely need any assets extracting from archives to make them work. Even when that may be necessary it's not to make the route work as such, but to make a referenced (reskinned) asset available.
The whole issue of it *being so much hassle to extract things* is/has become overblown somewhat.

If you're just going to keep nitpicking things I said earlier then it isn't going to be a productive discussion. I've already said it wasn't my intention to try to make things seem harder than they are, however, having used the tool myself, I know I'd certainly rather use it than manually install things even as an experienced user. I can only imagine the appeal would be moreso for a user less confident with these file systems and perhaps computers in general.

gptech wrote:
So we can discuss, ask questions as long as we stick to *approved* ones? You've implied that installing routes needs the aid of an automated installer, when in most cases it simply doesn't. Routes merely reference assets, whether they're bundled with the, or any other, route or not doesn't matter as long as the end user has them. If they're in a .ap archive it doesn't matter, the game doesn't need those assets extracting in order to use them.
You only need to extract anything from a .ap archive when installing a reskin/rework of any asset, just like if you install a reskin of any asset based on one from a commercial item of DLC you only need to copy the shape file. That's a very simple, very basic operation.
*Magical* software to do it is a great idea, I'm all for an easy life, but when that task (for want of a better word) is described as something that's so, so hard for the average guy to do and he simply needs MagicInstallerv3.8b in order to accomplish it, it isn't expanding the knowledge or abilities of those average guys. Do it for long enough and they'll believe it, and then you end up with a game that stagnates because only the *3lit3* have the ability to produce stuff.
The biggest hurdle those average guys have to leap over is the one that's labelled "not having the confidence to try"---that's just as (if not more so) worthy of dealing with as giving them easy to use tools.

pablottie wrote:Well if it works and makes things easier for people without taking traffic from other forums / developers sites, well then I'm happy! I think it sounds a very good tool.

I will quite happily wait until its released and read the information that will be / should be provided and if its going to make things more simple, then happy days!! I don't understand a lot of the negative assumptions that have been made. why do things always have to be so negative or turn into arguments, accusations and slagging people off?

I think developers should have words of encouragement and thanks. And if its a pile of s**t when its released and your not happy with what its claiming to do or don't trust it, then steer clear.

But i do think it should be offered without a subscription, even as a standalone product on the website. I agree that a subscription to obtain it will put a lot of people off who may not have any use for anything else offered on the site. (that's if you do need a subscription to get it.) I wouldn't want to assume until its released...

TheCatOfWar wrote:I've already said it wasn't my intention to try to make things seem harder than they are, however, having used the tool myself, I know I'd certainly rather use it than manually install things even as an experienced user. I can only imagine the appeal would be more so for a user less confident with these file systems and perhaps computers in general.

rosschris10 wrote:Well judging by your attitude in all of your 12 or so posts on this forum then coming out all defensive if anyone is being nit picking it is you being so secretive at the start.

rosschris10 wrote:You are clearly in this "website" more than you are letting on.

rosschris10 wrote:So here is a question for you and i apologise in advance if you class this as nitpicking but why is your "tool" getting locked away in to this "paid subscription" service if all the tool does it unpack freeware to help people then shouldnt that be released open to EVERYONE not just those who are going to pay into this "subscription" service.

749006 wrote:can we carry on the way we normally do things?

Peter