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Having originally posted this in the wrong forum I have copied all the posts to date into the correct one for better exposure:

I have downloaded all but one of the 500 Mile Cross Country Run scenarios available on UKTS (I don't have the route for Part 5). They all use the Cross Country HST from the Armstrong Powerhouse MTU Enhancement Pack as the driven loco.
On running Part 1 (for the Just Trains SECML route) I found that the DVD (Driver's Vigilance Device) could not be cancelled by pressing the E key as stated in the manual. All the other key assignments work.
The same goes for Part 2 for the Just Trains Edinburgh to Newcastle route.
Strangely, for parts 3,4,6 ( DP Simulation East Coast Mainline North East v1.4, Jetgriff's Birmingham 2010 Route, Just Train Trains Western Mainline routes respectively) the DVD can be cancelled using the E key.
I've reinstalled the AP Enhancement Pack which has made no difference and Part 1 of the scenario with the same result.
I'm at a loss to explain how a route can seemingly affect the cancellation of the DVD, I've never come across this before.
Do any of you experts on here have any idea what may be going on and how it can be rectified?

Regards,

Len

Post by GP Tech-Really the wrong forum Len

can you create a new scenario using the HST in an affected route?
Like you, I can't see how a route could affect the stock, and as the stock works in other routes it only leaves the scenario itself to be investigated.

Thanks Gary, I’ll do some messing around, I do like a TS mystery. Oops about the wrong forum! Perhaps if a kindly Moderator is watching it could be moved to the TS General Discussion Forum.
Regards,
Len.

Taking Gary's suggestion forward I tried a completely different scenario on the SECML route substituting the HST used with the AP XC one, same result regarding non cancellation of the DVD. In the scenario editor, the only difference I can see between those scenarios where cancellation works and those where it doesn't are that the former only have the third box ticked on the assets flyout for Kuju, whilst the latter have the second and third boxes ticked. Whether this is a clue or a red herring I don't know.

Regards,

Len

That's actually *where I was going* Len--- is it possibly a missing Provider/Product pairing in a scenario?

Just regarding the ticking of the Kuju boxes; I believe the SECML uses Kuju assets in the route itself, so in the Provider/Product list the 1st and 3rd boxes should be ticked. However, in the scenario editor it can be hard to tell, since the first box (which shows products enabled in the world editor) is greyed out. In other words, it probably is ticked.

This one's on me as scenario author - I need to fix an AI glitch in part 5 of the series (Birmingham to Bristol), so can test the fix to this issue at the same time. Given that one or two issues slipped past me on the series, people have been very kind in feeding back problems. Hopefully these are the last noticeable bugs. Anyhow, it may be a few days due to time constraints but I will get these fixes done and uploaded asap. Thanks!

ETA: Just tried ticking the Kuju/Rail Simulator middle box on part 1 (SECML) and can confirm that the DVD (or is it DSD? Can never remember which is correct) works off the "E" key when I then run the scenario. Will also apply the same fix to part 2 and reupload shortly.

Righto, updated versions of Episodes 1 and 2 added to my website here: https://ade72scenarios.weebly.com/500-m ... y-run.html. They seem to be working fine - DSD was functioning normally for me on the "E" key - but would be great if someone could give them a quick test before I upload to UKTS.

No go for me with the two updated scenarios I'm afraid, E key still not cancelling the DVD in both. Must be something to do with my setup. Not to worry, I'll just have to be super vigilant whilst driving with the DVD turned off
Many thanks for the set of scenarios, must have been quite a task!

Regards,

Len

In all the parts of the scenario, are you driving from the same power car?...in other words is a reversal of the train, meaning you have to change ends, involved at all

gptech wrote:In all the parts of the scenario, are you driving from the same power car?...in other words is a reversal of the train, meaning you have to change ends, involved at all

The only change of ends is optional - in Part 1 (SECML), you can switch cabs to activate the ETS. When I ran the test, I did this, and the DSD worked as normal thereafter. In part 2 (Newcastle to Edinburgh) the train begins with a rolling start saved, with the following settings: train at a standstill, ETS on, Master Key on, Day Headlight and Markers on, Reverser forward, throttle idle, brake notch 2. Default for the AP MTU pack is also visual alerts on and DSD isolated. I don't know if these two are recorded in a rolling start save, but again on activating the DSD it appeared to function as normal.

In both cases I did not test the whole scenario, but drove enough to receive 4 or 5 DSD alerts and successfully cancel them. The DSD could be switched on and off and it continued to work normally at my end.

Hope that helps!

lenfish wrote:No go for me with the two updated scenarios I'm afraid, E key still not cancelling the DVD in both. Must be something to do with my setup. Not to worry, I'll just have to be super vigilant whilst driving with the DVD turned off
Many thanks for the set of scenarios, must have been quite a task!

Regards,

Len

No worries - if there is anything I can do to help discover the issue, I certainly will! It took a fair while to pull the series together including the wait for 64-bit to get most of the parts working the way I wanted. In 32-bit, lots of AP content on JT routes meant a veritable fiesta of dumps. And there is still at least one bug left to squish. Hope you can have some fun with the scenarios in the meantime , I get a lot of enjoyment from creating them.

I'm not giving up! Latest thing I've found is that if I change the reference to the input mappers in the XC_AP engine file to a nonsense one (I used 00_AP to replace 43_AP (which is contained in the input mappers folder in the AP folder within the Kuju HST folder), the default key assignments still work.
This must mean that another input mapper is being read, but I'm at a loss to understand why. This was on the SECML route.
If I do the same thing on one of the routes where DVD cancellation works then as I would expect all key assignments are lost as my fictitious input mapper cannot be found.
This would seem to point that it's something to do with my installation of the route itself but I'm completely baffled yet intrigued.

Regards,

Len

Len, do a search using the AP input mapper file name in your Assets folder, make sure you haven't somehow got a duplicate file tucked away somewhere that could conflict with the one you should be using.

Gary, now tried that but no difference. Think I’ll have to admit defeat on this one, unlike a certain Prime Minister.

Regards,
Len