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Thanks for the reply Rod, I did that as well. I also had to swap the 303, as the file format of the one I downloaded from DPS is set up slightly differently. Nice little (and I mean little) scenario.

Richard

mmm....I thought all the stock was stuff I'd uploaded here, but that seems to have been a mistaken impression

Sorry about that, I'll try and sort things out ASAP.

Easy one first: the class 87.

Download https://ln.sync.com/dl/122b60300/h8arwj ... c-kgzdt2eq

and do as the name tells you---"Class 87--Extract contents of this into Assets"

It adds 3 .bin files:

Class87_BR Blue-Panto Down.bin
Class87_BR Blue-Panto Down-PreNaming.bin
Class87_BR Blue-PreNaming.bin

The PantoDown files have the loco sat with (not surprisingly) the panto lowered; could be handy if you want to do a scenario featuring a 'start up' sequence, or one with the 87 being dragged. If you use another 87 as the dragging loco the panto does a merry dance up and down but does work nicely with a diesel engine or a class 86---haven't tested with other electrics but I suspect it's if both locos use the same main script it confuses the game.

There's an EngineScript-PreNaming.lua file which is the script to hide the nameplate, and in the Textures folder you'd have a nameplate-Blank.TgPcDx file which is simply a blank texture and a TextureSet_Digits_White-PreNaming.bin which tells the game where that blank texture is.
These 2 aren't really necessary as with the nameplate hidden from the game by the script there's no texture being called for---in theory anyway! Does no harm to keep them in.

With the panto down you'll still get the odd spark flashing, that'd probably need a revision to a copied .GeoPcDx file to remove that but then it wouldn't spark if the panto was raised. Yeah, it's still pretty much WIP even though it's a couple of years old.

Anyway, what you should end up with is....



The 86 will take a bit longer to sort out---my base model/directory structure has been modified somewhat to suit my odd view of how it should be so I'll have to re-write copies of the .bin files to match the default set up.
While I'm at it....this of interest to anybody?....



If so I might as well do it whilst I'm doing the others.

shinymac wrote:Would you care to enlighten us on the contents of your scenario please mate ? What, where, and with what assets etc ?

It's just a short trip from Ardwick into Piccadilly Derek, driving a Glossop-Hadfield class 506 EMU, basically doing what Peter's been wanting---"I would love to run a Scenario where you arrive in Platform 2 at Piccadilly as another train departs from Platform 1 and at the same time AC Electrics run on the Fast and Slow lines in and out of the Station"

As you approach Piccadilly a class 303 in GMPTE Blue-Grey livery approaches you as a class 86 on an express service overtakes you. The 303 is Richard Fletcher's reskin (https://www.dpsimulation.org.uk/rf72emu.html) in a slightly different directory to how he released it--you know I'm odd!. Use RW Tools to swap it over if necessary.
As you enter Piccadilly there's an 87 ready to depart and another 506 already departing--you should pass the other 506 about ⅓ of the way along platform 2. A couple of minutes after you arrive in Piccadilly the 87 departs, leaving a Pre-TOPS numbered 86 sat on the buffers.

As with the 303, as the other guys have had to do, RW Tools is your friend

That's about it...more a demonstration that the route isn't as shoddy as claimed, and that with a wee bit of thought you can make the most of it than a *proper* scenario.

The track directionality issue is overcome by changing the errant section's properties at scenario level (the scenario has a ScenarioNetworkProperties.bin file which deals with that) which obviously isn't a full solution--it needs that change making at route level. Not impossible of course, but really best done as a reasonably comprehensive *fix* for the approach to Piccadilly.
Peter, make a proper list of what's wrong and what it should be and which signals need replacing/amending/adding and between the lot of us we'll do something about it.

While I'm at it....this of interest to anybody?....

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Hi Gary

Yes PLEASE.

Cheers

Paul

Thanks for that Gary, the 86 does look very nice. On the subject of 86's do you know if there is a reskin of the 86 with domino headlights without HI lights, I know there is one with HI lights. It would be more in keeping with late 70's early 80's scenarios.

All the best, Richard

Thank you Gary for the above and proposal re the fixes.

On a slightly different point, does anyone know what happened to Richard's 1983 version which was in the Workshop?

Rod

rikwesson wrote:Hi, could you tell please where I can find the class 86 pre tops and the class87 pre naming for this scenario

Prenamed 87 looks good, just one problem though is that the class was fitted with Cross Arm pantographs at that time into the 1980`s until the Bracnell Willis high speed was fitted, shame there is not a cross arm one on something else in the sim that could be used to swap with, as a lot of my scenarios are set corporate blue era and I keep thinking the 87 need s the older pantograph.

I'm not sure what era the Class 86 as E3159 is supposed to represent?

It has the Headcode panel and no Headlight but it's got a Brecknell Willis pantograph.

749006 wrote:I'm not sure what era the Class 86 as E3159 is supposed to represent?

It has the Headcode panel and no Headlight but it's got a Brecknell Willis pantograph.

The beauty of Train Simulator. Do what you want, when you want, where you want.

gptech wrote:Peter, make a proper list of what's wrong and what it should be and which signals need replacing/amending/adding and between the lot of us we'll do something about it.

The two main problems are the presence of the Diamond Crossing at the end of P1 & P2 and the track layout between Piccadilly and Ardwick.

From the Slow Lines the tracks are

Down Slow
Up Slow
Down Fast
Up Fast
Down East
Up East

track diagrams from 1971 Peter

david1 wrote:

rikwesson wrote:Hi, could you tell please where I can find the class 86 pre tops and the class87 pre naming for this scenario

Prenamed 87 looks good, just one problem though is that the class was fitted with Cross Arm pantographs at that time into the 1980`s until the Bracnell Willis high speed was fitted, shame there is not a cross arm one on something else in the sim that could be used to swap with, as a lot of my scenarios are set corporate blue era and I keep thinking the 87 need s the older pantograph.

I would be happy with a Stone Faviley Pantograph on the 86 and you could also put it on the 87
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sparrowhawk7/7693063172/

Peter

749006 wrote:I'm not sure what era the Class 86 as E3159 is supposed to represent?

It has the Headcode panel and no Headlight but it's got a Brecknell Willis pantograph.

It represents the best I can do with the modelling skills/knowledge I have---I can throw paint at 'em, but can't build 'em

gptech wrote:

749006 wrote:I'm not sure what era the Class 86 as E3159 is supposed to represent?

It has the Headcode panel and no Headlight but it's got a Brecknell Willis pantograph.

It represents the best I can do with the modelling skills/knowledge I have---I can throw paint at 'em, but can't build 'em

Better than my modelling skills

Related to another thread
Could you use the Freeware Class 86 from the UKTS pack but the Cab and physics from the DTG Class 86?
http://www.uktrainsim.com/FreewarePacks ... DRB%29.jpg

It has the earlier design of Pantograph

Peter

749006 wrote:Could you use the Freeware Class 86 from the UKTS pack but the Cab and physics from the DTG Class 86?

In theory, yes; one potential sticking point though may be the panto animation but it's definitely worth a shot.

gptech wrote:

749006 wrote:Could you use the Freeware Class 86 from the UKTS pack but the Cab and physics from the DTG Class 86?

In theory, yes; one potential sticking point though may be the panto animation but it's definitely worth a shot.

I ran the old freeware 86 which was ok in it's day but is very long in the tooth.

In reverse the Pantograph stayed up but in FWD it dropped after a few feet
Maybe the same problem where the 317 had Pantograph problems

One of the good ideas in Trainz was the ability to swap Pantographs

Peter