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and after some of the recent updates from Microsoft - it seems that turning off the hyperthreading has sorted a fair few problems on mine , so thank you.

A very interesting topic - and I too recently upgraded to the best Scan Gaming PC I could afford. Certainly makes TSW run smoothly - and for the most part phenomenal framerates in TS2018 that I didn't think were possible. But even so I have also seen framerates drop to around 20 when looking at a full length external view of the DTG Pendolino on WCML Trent Valley and still get some loading stutter - I concluded that the limitations of the sim were pushed beyond the boundaries. Can only assume that with less demanding routes and trains in the early days that less powerful PCs could cope.

So with the announcement of the 64 bit version I am very excited to see what happens as with all its limitations and frustrations and our moaning we all really love TS2018 don't we and get great pleasure from it, and probably over the years many of you (like me) have invested more money and time than we care to mention (or confess to loved ones !) on our hobby.

So with the timely announcement of 64 bit I would suggest the answer to the question posed by the OP is - 'No we are not going backwards as the future looks very good indeed. It just maybe felt like it'.

Or to put it another way - hauling a heavier load than before we appear to have been put into the loop whilst a faster service overtook us. We are waiting for the road to clear and the signalman has advised us that when it does we are going to be switched onto the Up Main. So we await the signal to drop !!

Sorry - must be the excitement, getting carried away here.....

Well, I'm seeing double, , , Paignton Station are fed up with my reckless driving, , , and I got to do some shopping.
So
Ive read, , and read , , and read , , and played with ALL the settings on my Nvidia Control Panel (found it) and I do think things are better
It does not seem to matter what my top end settings in TS2018 are, frame rates seem to hover around the 29 to 33 in the Riviera scenery at that station and later rising to 45 - 50, but then its not a frame rate game I'm happy to limit them to 25 anyway its the jerkyness that was really getting to me.

I turned off Hyperthreading, pc didnt like that , gave me some weird messages on re-boot and a fright when it wouldnt (boot) but its settled down now and the core's seem to be sharing the work better AND TS definately does seem smoother. (although loading times generally seem slower, maybe thats just me)

So.. I'm going to leave it for now, have a play for a few days and see if my memory will do a "mental compare" when I run some of my other favorite trips.
Thanks for now and all the advice, what a great forum.
Cheers John

Forgive the numptiness guy's.... How does one go about turning off hyperthreading?

In the BIOS Martin, but unless you're having issues that can definitely be attributed to hyperthreading why would you? Does your CPU actually use hyperthreading?

I found that the thing that most improved my in-game jerkiness was to put TS on a SSD - made a big difference.

Martin
It was usually the i7 K series that have hyperthreading with no HT on the i5/i3 series.
The reason that I say turn it off is because I was under the impression that TS2018 does not have any code to recognize or process logical core hyper thread????????
You may well SEE logical core activity in the Windows CPU monitor window, but that is because the physical cache (normal HT process) is used for each logical (hyper-thread) core. But that means very little as the data/thread spawned is never processed by TS2018.
Therefore, it has no value in TS 2018 and may well cause thread collisions which can result in stuttering and slow frame rates.
pH

Thanks, Pete, my old i5 jalopy can carry on as normal then!

peterfhayes wrote:John

If you have nVidia GeForce experience installed - might be worth removing temporarily. ? ? ? >>>>Didnt even know there was one. - it installs automatically with the driver these days - need to opt out - Google GeForce

Your core usage is not as even as on my quad core - I would suggest turning OFF Hyperthreading as it may cause thread collisions ad stuttering (GOOGLE)

pH

With regard to GeForce Experience - as far as I can see it does not have TS as one of its supported games anyway so is probably not giving any benefits to the Sim? I am presuming that uninstalling will leave the Nvidea Drivers still working OK - but that more manual intervention will be needed in order to update drivers with next Nvidea release?

Any advice before I take the plunge and remove would be appreciated.

Thugsy wrote:

peterfhayes wrote:John

If you have nVidia GeForce experience installed - might be worth removing temporarily. ? ? ? >>>>Didnt even know there was one. - it installs automatically with the driver these days - need to opt out - Google GeForce

Your core usage is not as even as on my quad core - I would suggest turning OFF Hyperthreading as it may cause thread collisions ad stuttering (GOOGLE)

pH

With regard to GeForce Experience - as far as I can see it does not have TS as one of its supported games anyway so is probably not giving any benefits to the Sim? I am presuming that uninstalling will leave the Nvidea Drivers still working OK - but that more manual intervention will be needed in order to update drivers with next Nvidea release?

Any advice before I take the plunge and remove would be appreciated.

Yes you can safely remove just geforce experience, the rest of the driver install will be left alone. It's also very easy to update the drivers, personally I go through the guru3d forum to grab the latest drivers as that way you can read what other users have said about how the drivers are performing with certain titles. But the old saying of if it ain't broke don't fix it is very appropriate here in that if the drivers you have are working fine for the titles you play then there's no point updating the drivers.

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Good advice. Many thanks.

Sadly not one mention here of AMD cards. I know they don't perform so well on TS but I have parked my several thousands of pounds of routes etc because I cannot find a good set up with no (or very few crashes). Very depressing considering the PC I have is still very new.

Maybe TS2019 will get me back in to try it but while ever it continues to crash eratically I cannot get enthused about it

Anyway, specs if anyone has any good ideas (I will try the settings suggested at the start of the thread for John) - I do run my TS from a separate part of the Hard Drive from everything else


OMEN by HP 870-080na Gaming Desktop PC, Intel Core i7-6700K 4GHz, 32GB RAM, 3TB HDD, 512GB SSD, DVDRW, AMD R9 390X 8GB, WIFI, Windows 10 Home

This is it on the HP website.
https://support.hp.com/gb-en/product/om ... c05246082/

I am happy playing away on ELITE Dangerous at the moment, but would love to come back to TS if anyone has ideas

>>but would love to come back to TS if anyone has idea
<<I have had AMD since 2000 and before that Matrox Millenium !

I too have "heard" AMD is not as good as Nvidia those with more technical ability than me may say in detail why but the only reason I can think of is the Physics thingy and the V Sync
I have, it seems, never needed either.
My last card was an AMD HD4870 and produced excellent results with most settings about 50/75%
The only reason I went to 1080ti was that I could and it seemed flavour of the month.
I know I have seen articles about this but a games pc spec is NOT the same as a simulator PC spec. Google it.
Two suggestions re your post. >> I do run my TS from a separate part of the Hard Drive
I take it you mean a separate partition on the SSD, the partition should make no difference and the SSD is , in my view, essential, if you’re running it from the HDD it might be a bit jerky, when I used HDD I always made sure they were 10,000RPM drives.
Second suggestion, that pc looks fine so is the card I suggest you run TS with ALL the settings at their lowest for a day or two, see if it then crashes, if it does not then your confidence will be encouraged to move the up a notch ONE AT A TIME until you do start to get problems, it's not a quick process and will take a few days, but it's the best way I can think of.
Cheers & good luck
John

My drivers were installed by Scan and are v388.59 I notice this week they are now v398.82 but I NEVER install any updates until they are at least a couple of months old. Especially W10 which I have not updated since I got the PC in January 1. (It's never on the internet unless I pop onto Steam)

As for Nvidia experience I may have it, I dont know where it is if I do and I cant find anything to adjust Physics.
I sort of get the impression its seperate software.

However these are the 3 screens dedicated to TS I DO have and their settings, if anyone wants to comment.

As an aside I ran TSW last night and sitting on the HST out of Paddington got a SMOOTH 97FPS SO roll on TS2019 64 bit even if it only helps a bit. Cheers John

PhysX, not physics--it's essential to the game running so you have it. In the nVidia Control Panel, bottom left I think, is a link to bring up your system information; click that and you'll see just which parts of the nVidia driver package are installed. I imagine you're find that you have extras you didn't even know about.