Bossman Games Stanier Class 5 (Black Five)

[chrisreb]

Thank you so much - this will be a great help!

[michaelhendle]

Hi,

What usually do after installing a new loco and after unpacking the AP,is go to RW Tools,then go to options,scoll down to make all rw files read/write,click on it.
That usually works for me also don't forget to clear cache,I'm still in two minds whether to get this pack,pity they couldn't have done what JT do, that is to have a switcher which you press and it then switches it from expert to simple mode or vice or verce.

Due to one reason or another some people cannot always use expert mode,and it gets annoying when all you get told is read the manual,my problem is medical.

[Tom5305]

Hi,

What usually do after installing a new loco and after unpacking the AP,is go to RW Tools,then go to options,scoll down to make all rw files read/write,click on it.
That usually works for me also don't forget to clear cache,I'm still in two minds whether to get this pack,pity they couldn't have done what JT do, that is to have a switcher which you press and it then switches it from expert to simple mode or vice or verce.

Due to one reason or another some people cannot always use expert mode,and it gets annoying when all you get told is read the manual,my problem is medical.

It is possible to drive in a 'quasi simple mode' but I am finding it a chore having to switch from part keyboard/part cab view to operate what is a super add on.
I too prefer to enjoy the view as I drive a scenario.
This is in no way a criticism but I do wonder if 'lost sales' were considered and would it be at all possible to patch an update providing simple mode. JT have a switching tool on
some of their advanced locos.
I think it would be fair comment to say if you want a simple drive loco then at this moment in time this isn't one for you. Over to Dovetail games and BMG - hope a work around
can be sorted?
Best regards
Tom

[Tom5305]

Re my last post have raised a ticket with DTG - hope that we can find a way round to get a full F4 HUD simple drive mode - fingers crossed!
Tom

[metrobus]

If you on the F4 HUD press the light button till it reaches position 5, that enables various assists and disables the reverser lock so you can in theory drive the engine fully from the HUD (firing is done by the locos built in fireman).

regards

Edward

[Tom5305]

If you on the F4 HUD press the light button till it reaches position 5, that enables various assists and disables the reverser lock so you can in theory drive the engine fully from the HUD (firing is done by the locos built in fireman).

regards

Edward

Thanks for that Edward - will give it a try! Been jumping between keyboard and F4 - looks good in game just a bind as I have been trying to fathom a method!
Tom

[Tom5305]

If you on the F4 HUD press the light button till it reaches position 5, that enables various assists and disables the reverser lock so you can in theory drive the engine fully from the HUD (firing is done by the locos built in fireman).

regards

Edward

Thanks for that Edward - will give it a try! Been jumping between keyboard and F4 - looks good in game just a bind as I have been trying to fathom a method!
Tom

It works for me with just a comment - the reverser can be set fully forward or reverse but when you let go it defaults to '0' but is set at max so does work!
Will get the hang of it I am sure!
Cheers
Tom

[metrobus]

Think of the reverser on the HUD as a kind of nudging it, so moving it to the top moves the reverser at max speed forward, move it halfway and it moves at half speed forward, and move it down and it moves towards backwards gear. The tip I'd use is to watch for sparks at the chimney, when you see them wind the reverser back a bit till they stop and continue repeating that as required, if you find yourself slowing do the opposite and wind it forward till you just start to see sparks appearing, but wind it back if the sparking gets very heavy.

regards

Edward

[jstange]

So this is a major flaw: it seems there'll be no loco swapping. If I use RWTools, it seems to work, but the loco is initialised in some wrong way, the cab is strangely lit, I'm getting a big FPS hit and some controls even don't work. If I use the internal TS scenario editor, I get a dump (the game crashes) every time I try to move the instructions from the original black 5 to the BMG one.

[jstange]

OK, correction: so there may be a way by doing it using RWTools and then changing the loco number to the format that the BMG black 5 expects (e.g. 5400#NN)... seems to initilialise OK now, but still needs more testing.

[Tom5305]

Think of the reverser on the HUD as a kind of nudging it, so moving it to the top moves the reverser at max speed forward, move it halfway and it moves at half speed forward, and move it down and it moves towards backwards gear. The tip I'd use is to watch for sparks at the chimney, when you see them wind the reverser back a bit till they stop and continue repeating that as required, if you find yourself slowing do the opposite and wind it forward till you just start to see sparks appearing, but wind it back if the sparking gets very heavy.

regards

Edward

Thanks for you comments Edward - really getting to grips now and it is working and is without doubt a great add on.
Had a lot of sparks which made me realize I wasn't driving it correctly! - a bit of perseverance and it is not
a bad work around to use the HUD if you want a scenic view as I much prefer!
Cheers
Tom

[michaelhendle]

Ojh well looks like my tired old Kuju and SSS black 5's will be coming out of store and live to drive another day.
A nice model but goes over right over my b.rain damaged head,everything is getting so confusing now.

[jstange]

Can someone please enlighten me how to properly fill the boiler on this loco? I press "k" to open the water tap, then "i" for the injector, the same with the injector on the other side, "l" and then "o", but no water actually makes it into the boiler! I never had this issue with JT or VW products.

The manual says nothing about how to use the injectors. In fact the manual leaves much to be desired, no advanced features and how to drive and operate the loco is described. In my humble opinion the add-on cannot be recommended to any steam beginners in this state...

[metrobus]

As long as both tender valve and steam valve are open for the injector (I and K for the left injector, O and L for the right), and there's no loud roaring steam noise coming from the injector (combined with a large cloud of steam and or water), the injector will start working, it just takes about 10-15 or so seconds for the injectors to pick up properly and start feeding. Best advice is just not to ever touch the trimming handles as they start in the correct position. If you do, you may wish to turn on trimmer assist which will auto set the trimmer handles (hopefully), I think that is on assist level 2 or 3... Patience is key with the injectors. Alternatively go straight for assist level 4 and 5 and let the loco handle the injectors for you

kindest regards

Edward

[1crick14a]

Can someone please enlighten me how to properly fill the boiler on this loco? I press "k" to open the water tap, then "i" for the injector, the same with the injector on the other side, "l" and then "o", but no water actually makes it into the boiler! I never had this issue with JT or VW products.

The manual says nothing about how to use the injectors. In fact the manual leaves much to be desired, no advanced features and how to drive and operate the loco is described. In my humble opinion the add-on cannot be recommended to any steam beginners in this state...

You have to set them with what they call the water valve trimmer which is very hard to do.
The Exhaust Injector on a Black 5 never really needed this doing (firemans side) it was left
in the same position time after time all that was needed was to open tender feed valve and
turn on the steam valve and it would run autmatically by itself and switch from live steam
to exhaust when regulator were opened and there was enough steam to the injector for it to run.

Live steam injector (drives side) would need to be trimmed to catch on.

I have read here on another thread that if you use the F4 HUD by tapping the light tab in it you have options
there to enable what they call trimmer settings and will set up the injectors for you OK

I agree more was needed in the manual for this model.
But they do mention about some of this in the manual.

The questions I want answered is WHY were the overflow pipes placed on the same side.
Where is the bucket of tools, gauge glass lamp (Nunney Castle) has one.

Regards, Rick