Atomic Systems

I have just bought a new computer which is capable of running Train Sim World with high settings. As I already own TS2018 with a lot of DLC I am wondering if it is worth buying TSW. Does anyone have both and if so which gets a run out the most.

I have both installed and enjoy both Sims, I do however prefer running TS2018 as there are only a limited number of TSW Scenarios available (only those few Scenarios supplied with each TSW Route). At present there are no tools available for TSW, so it is impossible to create any new Scenarios for the TSW Simulator.

DTG have not isssued any ""add-on Scenarios for any of the released TSW Routes that are available, which greatly limits enjoying the TSW Sim in my opinion.

Many have both, there are many users with crossover posts in the relevant forums. To answer the question though, you will find that 99% currently play TS2018 more. The reason? We now have over a decade worth of content available for TS2018 and it hasn't really slowed down. TSW is just starting, there isn't enough about it yet to offer the longevity.

In terms of buying TSW, I'd certainly look out for a good sale to buy the base CSX package. Content will come and TSW will grow, many are always sceptical but they were exactly the same when Rail Simulator arrived.

I have both. Bought TSW/HH and the later GW add-on but quickly became
bored just going up and down short stretches of track, so didn't bother with
the German add-on. Now I only play TS - I too have years worth of add-ons.

Same as above, I have both too.

TSW is great for the first few days, but there's only so many trips between Paddington and Reading you can do before it gets tedious.
I probably won't start playing again until there is more UK content available, there's just not enough variety to keep me entertained at the moment.

For now I only really play TS2018, spent far too much money on DLC to even consider stop playing/replacing it. (I'm sure many are in the same boat!)

Many thanks,
Nick

Same as both posts above, uninstalled and won't be going back on until there are significant improvements, especially to the sounds? Content with TS20xx as I have spent a considerable amount of money on it...

Can not comment on TSW as I don't own it, but going back to the early days of Rail Simulator (the for-runner of Railworks) Level of detail was far better than that of MSTS but after a month of playing went back to MSTS, because the amount of stock available was the deciding factor lack of dlc although better experience does not out way the various routes and traction available, it was about 2 to 3 years before I starting again with what had become railworks and even then dlc was limited. Based on my useage of railsimulator when new is the main reason why I don't have TSW.

that's the gamble with creating a new sim, large outlay in development costs, but then people don't want to buy because of the lack of dlc, then more outlay in the hope more content will attract more customers, likewise a gamble for customers, are you going to like it without much dlc.

I use both and enjoy both although use TS more due to it having more content. However TSW runs smoother and hasn't crashed on me yet unlike TS which has crashed three times on me this evening! I can't see DTG being able to push TS much further as it seems very fragile at times. I predict that we will start to see a steady stream of DLC for TSW and it will start to grow, I may be wrong. I do find TSW very immersive with its service mode which basically gives you dozens of individual scenario's. I will continue to use both as there is some fantastic content for TS and I have spent a lot of money on it.

Peter

I too now have both, just to see what the interest was about. There is no doubt that the graphics quality is superb, but then so is HDTV however if the program content is not there it might as well be in Black and White.
I hope it succeeds, I’m sure it will, but having been spoilt with the ability to create my own scenery and scenarios in TS and use of the command line edits such as followatrain / allow jump / and set my own field of view for my own style of driving.

What was a real shame was that TSW was not introduced with ANY Steam locos !!!!!

If it had been me I would have at least one and I would have asked the Paddington Route Creators to, as they went along, to make a present day AND 1960’s version.
Come to think, I would do that on any scenery these days as to produce 2 sceneries in pararell as I am doing at the moment, it is so easy it’s not an issue at all.

One word to DTG though is WHY oh WHY was the manual NOT included in the download, I didn’t realise this not being an avid follower of sim sim forums (other than this one) and it took ages to find the link.

As I say, TSW graphics are superb but that is not enough so must the content AND I suspect that the level of creator knowledge required to produce scenery let alone stock is so massive I will never be able to attempt it.

SO DTG, don’t make it such a secret. . . RUN some design courses. . Please.
Good effort 6 out of 10.
Cheers John

Thanks guys for all the advice, will probably get it as it is on sale at the moment £20.00 for Heavy haul and Great Weastern express pack. Hopefully over the years it will go the same way as TS and in a few years will have as much content as TS does now, as the saying goes "from small acorns tall oaks grow".

chrisc37 wrote:Hopefully over the years it will go the same way as TS and in a few years will have as much content as TS does now, as the saying goes "from small acorns tall oaks grow".

Well, it depends if DTG allow 3rd party developers to create freeware and/or payware content for TSW, which at the moment doesn't look likely until they offer suitable tools and editing functions, sometime this year, allegedly. At the moment we can't even do our own freeroam sessions, even with the bare minimum amount of rolling stock that they've included for each version so far, so, it'll be many, many years at least, before us older Brits see Class 40s, Deltics, Westerns, Warships, Hymeks and any type of Steam locos in the game, plus the countless 1st and 2nd generation diesel and electric locomotives and multiple units built, as I'm sure with their recent track record DTG will want to offer modern stuff to the masses first, hundreds of plastic EMU's, etc, with routes to match, and anything from 30 years ago plus will be an afterthought, we may have to wait another 10 years at least to see everything in TSW that we currently have in TS2018, many of us veteran gamers will be dead and buried by then, so, why should we bother waiting, we might as well just play with TS2018 now as that offers us most of what we enjoy, and I'm sure the Americans and Germans think the same, when will all their railway locos and passenger/freight stock be made from the last 50 years, if at all?

Cheerz. Steve.

To quote a sketch in the "Not the 9'o clock News" - "Nice Video - Shame about the Song"

To me TSW is all about the appearance the way it operates the people which move around objects and the trains which you can walk around or even travel in.
But the content is flawed
- there are errors with the Signalling side where signals don't behave as they should
- there are parts where the driver has to walk around the place changing points and the like.
- in a scenario where a HST is rescued by a 66 a Reading but the driver coupling up has to walk to the rear cab to put the Tail Lights on - which should be on.
- starting of passenger trains from a main station you have no information on when to depart

So I have uninstalled the game - not sure which files I can delete though.

Peter

I had TSW-HH for a short while, but got it refunded by Steam as the unoptimised version (at the time) had very low frame rates on my low-middle spec PC

Since then I've seen the quality and quantity of products for TS2018 continue to reach new heights and I really can't see any reason at the moment for moving to TSW. As other posters have pointed out it could be a decade before TSW has the same richness of content. What it badly needs is publically available content creation tools, without these I have to say that I think its future is bleak, so my advice is to hold off buying TSW until these are available and their usefulness is confirmed.

I can only more or less echo the posts above. I have both TS2018 and TSW, but found that i soon got bored with TSW and i haven't played it since about a week after the Paddington-Reading route was released, and i probably won't entertain it again until some more UK content is released, as i'm not really interested in routes and such from abroad. I, like many others have built up a lot of content for TS over the years, and i can't see myself ever stopping playing it.

If you are finding yourself leaning towards buying TSW, then i would say go for it, it is pretty to look at if your pc can handle it, mine can (barely!). Granted it still has a few niggles and it is crying out for some creation tools but it also has a lot of potential and could be fantastic if DTG do it right. However, if you do buy it be prepared to become bored fairly quickly with the current USA and UK routes (i can't speak for the German route as i don't have it).

Cheers
Terrone.

I see that people are referring to "moving to TSW" and "stopping using TS2018". Even the thread name is one VS the other!

It really doesn't have to be a contest, as it's perfectly acceptable, feasible and cool to run both side by side, much the same way that we did when MSTS had a shed-load of content available and Rail Simulator was first released without much to use for a while.

Ash/