Atomic Systems

I agree with Marcus on Redhill - Reading in the '50's. Need to add a few elderley SECR 4-4-0's for that methinks... I think they're already in the poll though. Definitely need an N to be added next time.

All the best,

sem34090

A most fantastic route would be 1950/60's ex GWR mainline from Banbury to Shrewsbury that would include the modelling of that wonderful B'ham Snow Hill, as well as Wolverhampton Low Level station and Tyseley and Oxley double roundhouse MPDs, Stafford Road MPD and works plus much more. Quite a colossal challenge - especially through the Black Country and not even to mention the massive Hockley Goods depot. As such I don't think I'll be doing it, - but I do hope someone or some commercial software company would.

Another possibility that would be most challenging would be the ex MR route: Sheffield Midland - Rotherham Masborough - Royston and Notton - Normanton - Stourton - Leeds City (again 1950/60)s.

both these route provide great join-up possibilities for routes that currently exist or proposed on this discussion thread.

Gary (not from) Garda

What is the Metropolitan Bo-Bo which you said was released the other year - where do I get it?

Before your survey is finished the Class 314 & 315 unit should be released by Waggonz - they have been working on it for some time
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5AAF52A1

Peter

Hi Peter,

The Met Bo-Bo was released in 4mm/ft (00) scale by Heljan a few years ago, and I suspect the Dreadnoughts scored highly in the original (RMweb, model railway) wishlist poll results I based this poll on. At present I don't think one is available in TS. In the re-organised poll (currently under consideration, discussion and general thinking-about!) this should be clearer. Many of the above entries will be present, but extra ones will be added to increase the number of entries in each catergory.

Thanks for the heads up with regards the 314/315. It will be duly omitted from the new poll!

As a general question, what should I title the new Wishlist Poll topic(s?)? I don't really want to title it 'Wishlist Poll 2018', as that sounds a bit official for one person putting together a small poll on a forum. Anyone got any better ideas? I'll probably remove the question mark, as that was more to do with the question of whether anyone would vote in one, and it seems they have!

Current (joint) leaders, on 15 votes each, are the Swindon Class 120 Cross-Country DMU and the Class 310 & 312 EMU's (I assume that's what they are!).

All the best,

sem34090

sem34090 wrote: As a general question, what should I title the new Wishlist Poll topic(s?)? I don't really want to title it 'Wishlist Poll 2018', as that sounds a bit official for one person putting together a small poll on a forum. Anyone got any better ideas? I'll probably remove the question mark, as that was more to do with the question of whether anyone would vote in one, and it seems they have!

sem34090

Why not recreate the previous "sticky" thread on this topic? http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 61&t=96329. It is now locked, but nothing to stop a new version being started!

Hi Brysonman,

That's one idea I had considered, however I feel this is less about general requests, more about seeing how different things stack up against each other. If it can be seen that some things, which one may not immediately think of as 'popular' requests, seem to be desired by those using the sim then there is a small chance of them being produced at some stage. This is similar in concept to the original model railway poll that gave me the idea: the highest polling items each year have generally ended up being produced at some point within a year or two of the polls results being published. I'm not saying the same will happen here, but you never know. Personally, I think it's more logical than random requests being made across many websites, forums and topics.

That said, it may be worth having a 'requests' topic for those things which either aren't included (for example, a particular loco or coach) or simply aren't covered (such as Scenic objects) in the polls.

All the best,

sem34090

sem34090 wrote:Hi Brysonman,

That's one idea I had considered, however I feel this is less about general requests, more about seeing how different things stack up against each other. If it can be seen that some things, which one may not immediately think of as 'popular' requests, seem to be desired by those using the sim then there is a small chance of them being produced at some stage. This is similar in concept to the original model railway poll that gave me the idea: the highest polling items each year have generally ended up being produced at some point within a year or two of the polls results being published. I'm not saying the same will happen here, but you never know. Personally, I think it's more logical than random requests being made across many websites, forums and topics.

That said, it may be worth having a 'requests' topic for those things which either aren't included (for example, a particular loco or coach) or simply aren't covered (such as Scenic objects) in the polls.

All the best,

sem34090

All well and good, but taking a model railway wish list and creating a train sim list is not really ideal. May of the items in the above poll have already been produced at some stage, either by commercial developers or as freeware (though many are no longer available). You would be far better looking at the list of model railway items that have already been produced, and then comparing with a list of railway sim items, to see which are missing. As an obvious example, one of the first locomotives produced by Triang was the Princess Royal class (later produced by Hornby). We haven't seem that in TS20xx!
However, I do not wish to pour cold water on your attempt to generate interest in any possible future production from one of the commercial manufacturers, but to be a truly widespread poll, you would need far more than the list of items you have given

Nick

Hi Brysonman,

I am trying to plan a 'proper' TS orientated poll, in which I will look very closely at what is and isn't available, and what is maybe ripe for replacement (Some freeware items, as an example) by newer models. As I said, rather than having one poll to cover 100 mixed entries, I intend to have several 100 entry polls covering each of the following sections:

Steam Locomotives (Inc. Steam Railmotors and Steam Turbines)
Diesel, Electric & Other Traction (Inc. Gas Turbines, Electro Diesels, etc...)
Multiple Units (Inc. EMU's, DMU's, DEMU's, BEMU's, 4TC's, Petrol & Gas Turbine Units, etc...)
Coaches, Wagons & Other Hauled Stock (Inc. Passenger Stock, Goods Stock, NPCS'. Parcels Stock, etc...)

I may also include a poll for routes, but I feel this may be better in a 'requests' type topic in which people can suggest ideas, as there is a practically infinite number of routes that can be modelled, and I certainly can't choose 100 routes objectively, as I have my own preferences.

Another Poll I am tempted to include is a 'General Information' Poll, Possibly including the following catergories within the poll:

Favourite Traction Type(s) (Steam, Diesel, Electric, Gas Turbine, Other)
Favourite Era(s) (Pre-WW1, Post WW1 Pre-Grouping, Pre WW2 Grouping, Post WW2 Grouping, Pre-1955* Nationalisation, Transtional Nationalisation, Post-Steam Pre-Tops, Post-Tops: Pre Sectorisation, Sectorisation, Early Privatisation - 2000, Current Privatisation, Other.)
Favourite Railway Company(ies)
Anything else people suggest could be included!

I see that the Class 120 Swindon Cross-Country and Class 123 Swindon Intercity DMU's jointly occupy the top spot of this mini-poll once again.

All the best,

sem34090

I've spent the past few hours drafting the list for the new/revised Steam Loco Wishlist Poll, ready for criticism, pointing out of stupid mistakes and glaring omission, along with any ammendments that should be made. I have tried to offer a broad selection, with roughly 10 Grouping designs and 10 constituent designs in each category, with the BR Standard category being smaller, thus leaving room for a few odd bits at the end, and an extra loco in the LMS categrory (Because it was too big!). I think I almost managed one design from each of the major pre-grouping companies, but again if anyone sees any glaring omissions, please tell me! I will try and do other locos (Diesel, Electric, etc) soon, then units and finally stock. These are more likely to be based on your suggestions and the RMweb poll than the Steam listing as I know much less about them!

When reading and commenting, please remember I'm only allowed up to 100 entries... I can't add anything extra without taking something away!

I hope the word document attached OK...

The Class 124 Transpennine Unit and the Class 310 and 312 EMU's appear to be leading now...shame there's no steam up the top though. We can soon change that, but I'm trying to stay objective about this! I have voted...

All the best,

sem34090

How frustrating. I would like the class 26 & 85 done, but neither appear in the poll.

I voted but it was a slightly mixed choice. I was pleased to see the Swindon class 120 and the class 304's getting quite a few votes. A Derby 108 DMU would be very useful as they were so widespread and have appeared in model railway form. Other DMU's that would be useful in my opinion would be the class 116, 118 and 122.

I can imagine very little on the poll will be produced, sadly, certainly not in commercial form. DTG probably won't produce much "heritage" stuff, although some of the recent EMU releases suggest that may be jumping the gun. The most prolific producer of "heritage" trains of course doesn't develop for TS anymore I suspect he may well have in time produced quite a few items on the list. I suppose DT may produce some of the more obscure steam classes. SSS had some interesting loco's on their "in progress page" some time ago, like an Ivatt 2mt tank and tender engines but they have long since disappeared.

Peter

Hi
Seeing as most southern steam routes are in LSWR Terretory,I think these classes are missing Adams 0395,Urie G16 4-8-0T,one was allocated to Meldron Quarry,on the new Glorious Devon Route,URIE H16 4-6-2T,URIE H15 4-6-0,MARSH 2,4-4-2,(one is being made at the Bluebell Railway)one N class 31846 was modified and returned to traffic without smoke deflectors. I Have a photo taken in 1957.

Also missing from the list Lord Nelson,originally built for Victoria Dover Boat trains, but were soon transferred to the South Western Division again mostly used on boat trains from Waterloo,although they could be seen at Bournemouth and Exeter.

Class 85's were mostly used in the north between Crewe and Scotland,the 85/1's were freight only,class 84 built by North British were the first ones to go as they were always having problems,all gone by 1977,class 83 also had problems and most were scrapped by 1983,except these 3 which soldiered on until 1989 at Willesden 83009, 83012, and 83015,class 81 and 82,class 82 6 scrapped in 1983 last 2 1987,one preserved E3054(82008) CLASS 81 were the most successful of the early electric locomotives and 15 lasted until 1991,81012 and 81017,finished their days on ECS trains between Willesden-Euston
For a route extension,the Bluebell Line through to Lewis,or the Watercress line through to Winchester
Or the original Nene Valley Railway from Ely to Northampton,originally built between Peterborough -Northampton in 1847,ran from what was Peterborough East Station,the line was later linked to the GN ECML and then extended to Ely,it became a secondary main line until closure.It was also the first railway to be built in Peterborough,one of the first passenger trains was a Parliamentary train which ran from Peterborough to Euston.

I think our best bet is for either Digital Traction for Southern Locomotives after all they are making a Southern Route through to Exeter,and Victory for other steam locomotives,although they seem to make mostly GWR items
Maybe SSS could get the person who made the GER/LNER J15 to make some some other LNER/BR Locomotives,or just possibly Just Trains as well
For diesel and electric our best bet is possibly DTG,as most of them lasted into the era of their routes

Mike

In response to all the feedback!

Steve: The Class 26 and Class 85 have now been pigeon holed as candidates to be included when I draw up a 'proper' Diesel and Electric poll later!

Peter: Thank you for suggesting those! The Class 116 and 118 are yet to go on the list as I haven't started to write the new Multiple Unit list. I had already decided to put the 122 on the new list, and I think a 108 should definitely be on there.

I never intended this poll to be 'officially' recogised, but it seems to have generated a fair bit of interest (enough for me to rewrite it!) and may prove a useful guide for some of the smaller, or new, producers who are trying to gauge the market for particular locos and stock. I too doubt DTG themselves will do much in the way of heritage stuff, but as you point out their recent EMU releases (APT-P, MLV, 2-HAL, etc...) seem to indicate that they're beginning to look beyond modern stuff. Maybe this poll will incourage them to do a Swindon unit, maybe a transpennine one or a Class 84. I can see them possibly doing the '84 as they have numerous WCML routes in their library now. Including some appropiate for that era... I think! (I said I knew little about Diesels and Overhead Electrics...)

Michael: I was very close to including the Adams 0395 in the new poll, and I think I'll go back and add it in. Trouble is I then need to take something else out. I too would love to see a Urie H15, H16 & G16, but I felt they would be less popular than the ones I chose. I may swap the 'W' for the G16 though. I may swap the Drummond 700 for the 0395, but then there's no Drummond stuff from the LSWR, only Adams and Beattie! I have included the Marsh 'H2' Atlantic in the new poll, and the N is also now included.

I did not include the Lord Nelson, as I believe that is already being worked on by Steam Loco Collection (Creators of the N15, V and U.) along with the T9 and Maunsell Q. How long until it appears is a different matter, but I have tried to avoid including any locos in the new poll that are already being worked on. Hence the lack of GWR 2800 2-8-0, though I'm not sure whether that's been dropped.

Thanks for the information about the various AC electrics, an area with which I am not familiar. I will probably include Classes 81 - 85 then 88-89 (Although they're more modern) as there's no harm in offering more choice, so long as I remain within my 100 entries slot!

I like the sound of the first two route extensions, and the third sounds nice too! I will however set up a separate topic for route requests either this evening or tomorrow, as there are defenitely more than 100 routes people might want! Maybe when some clear favourites emerge I can consider putting those in a poll to gauge interest.

DT and VW have always been the best for steam locos! I now need to go, but will continue on this theme later...

All the best,

sem34090

sem34090 wrote:The Met Bo-Bo was released in 4mm/ft (00) scale by Heljan a few years ago, and I suspect the Dreadnoughts scored highly in the original (RMweb, model railway) wishlist poll results I based this poll on.

So why does the poll say "What content would you like to see developed for train simulator?" and "due to the release of a Met BO-BO the previous year"

Just coping and pasting something without looking at the text is pointless

Oh, yes - All the Best ?

sem34090 wrote:I've spent the past few hours drafting the list for the new/revised Steam Loco Wishlist Poll, ready for criticism, pointing out of stupid mistakes and glaring omission, along with any ammendments that should be made. I have tried to offer a broad selection, with roughly 10 Grouping designs and 10 constituent designs in each category, with the BR Standard category being smaller, thus leaving room for a few odd bits at the end, and an extra loco in the LMS categrory (Because it was too big!). I think I almost managed one design from each of the major pre-grouping companies, but again if anyone sees any glaring omissions, please tell me!
sem34090

I’ve enjoyed going through your list, but I think your self-imposed limit of 10 grouping designs and 10 pre-grouping designs makes your selection a bit lop-sided. You’re forcing yourself to add all kinds of somewhat obscure pre-grouping GWR designs while some very deserving, numerous and long-lived ex-LMS and ex-LNER classes seem to be missing. You have us pick 2 engines from each pre-LMS company, but not all pre-grouping companies were equal: while the LNWR brought 3.336 engines into the LMS, the Midland 3.019, the L&Y 1.650 and the Caledonian another 1.070 (long-lived) engines, the Highland added only 173, many of which were rather quickly withdrawn. You make us choose between 5 ex-SECR and 5 ex-LBSCR engines (total at the grouping 729 + 619), but only 3 from the NER, arguably a much bigger concern (2.001), 1 from the NBR (1.074) and none from the Great Central (1.358). I know we all have our loyalties, but still…

I think your list should somewhat better reflect total numbers built, years of service and how well the class lasted into the BR era (for maximum appeal).

Marcus