VP/TPR Harrogate Loop

[passedcleaner]

Does anyone have any thoughts?

Yeah, but this is a moderated, family friendly forum so I can't voice 'em

Lets just look at a single pair...

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C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\ukts_fp\blocks_and_lofts\jn\scenery\procedural\stone_wall.bin (Loft Item) on tile -000016-000017.bin
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\UKTS_FP\Blocks_and_Lofts\JN\Scenery\Procedural\Stone_Wall.bin (Loft Item) on tile +000000+000020.bin

EXACTLY the same asset, just different capitalisation so half of the problem comes from whoever worked on the route having their assets set up differently from somebody else who worked on the route. Regardless of which version you have, the capitalisation doesn't matter...you have
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\ukts_fp\blocks_and_lofts\jn\scenery\procedural\stone_wall.bin installed and it's alter ego,
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\UKTS_FP\Blocks_and_Lofts\JN\Scenery\Procedural\Stone_Wall.bin, will also be seen as installed.

(as an aside, consider getting the game OUT of that protected system area that is Program Files (x86)---drop me a PM if you want to know why/how--lets leave this thread on topic )

Those/that asset may be installed on your system under the guise of

..\Assets\Nobkins\TransPennine\Scenery\Procedural\stone_wall.bin, as that's included in the installer package. As I posted earlier, the directory structure is *scruffy*, and obviously the route hasn't been checked on a clean, blank, system to determine just what is used before release.

If you have the asset in the Nobkins folder then it's very easy to swap those *missing* instances over, but we'll go through that once you determine if you do or don't have it under any of it's disguises.

Individual assets aside, look at the listing and take the UKTS stuff out and you're left with búgger all to fret about; one is missing completely, one is a bad extraction and the others are basically inconsequential but can be sourced at your leisure.

I think I follow what you're saying - with regards to the UKTS items, would you recommend reinstalling the UKTS freeware downloads? I presume its the various scenery packs that need doing. Bizarre though - they've not been updated since about 2012, and I can't believe I've gone 5 years without noticing, although my use of freeware routes has been fairly limited.

[passedcleaner]

Just to close this one out - turns out I was missing four of the UKTS freeware scenery packs. I've re-run the route installer and all is now well.

Many thanks to gptech and others for guiding me to the solution. This forum is as valuable as it ever was

[sbowness]

One strange thing that I have noticed are these blue grates:

http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php ... 56_cr.jpg"

I don't remember seeing them in another route until today and then I've spotted them here and in the GEML Workshop extension to Norwich.

Are they right? Has my setup gone screwy?

[TElsmore]

One strange thing that I have noticed are these blue grates:

http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php ... 56_cr.jpg"

I don't remember seeing them in another route until today and then I've spotted them here and in the GEML Workshop extension to Norwich.

Are they right? Has my setup gone screwy?

They look like catch-pits with corrogated(?) lids to me, and are correct. I think that the lids are supposed to have a kind of silver-grey look to them. I have them too, so i don't think that your set-up is playing games.

Cheers
Terrone.

[alanch]

I got round this by creating these folders for the Wherry route and finding generic assets from other routes/Kuju scenery assets.

Careful, you're close enough for me to come and find you and beat some sense into you.....Is your version of Wherry Lines from AP direct or the Steam version?

I had the same missing files as Len - I assume that's because I bought Wherry Lines direct from AP and the missing files come from the Steam version. I'm just downloading the latest version from AP to see if the files are now included - and the answer is no, so the AP and Steam versions are different. Perhaps AP would like to enlighten us, or have these assets been created by the Harrogate Loop team?

[phat2003uk]

The AP Wherry Lines has a few additional requirements, the only significant (in regard to this thread) difference with the Steam version is that these additional requirements are brought into the AP/WherryLines folder structure. To put it simply then, anything which is in AP/WherryLines on the Steam version that isn't there in the AP version, is just an object taken from another route such as the GEML, Isle of Wight etc.

[gptech]

If somebody with *missing* Wherry Lines assets could provide a list, we'll be able to track down exactly which assets from which routes are used.

[lenfish]

I got round this by creating these folders for the Wherry route and finding generic assets from other routes/Kuju scenery assets.

Careful, you're close enough for me to come and find you and beat some sense into you.....Is your version of Wherry Lines from AP direct or the Steam version?

I have now been given a new identity and am living in a safe house with round the clock Police protection. AP direct version, which explains the missing assets as per Richard's post above.

Regards,
(name withheld)

[gptech]

One strange thing that I have noticed are these blue grates........
I don't remember seeing them in another route until today and then I've spotted them here and in the GEML Workshop extension to Norwich.

Are they right? Has my setup gone screwy?

They're from Thomson's WCML-Trent Valley, so there's nothing wrong with your setup.

[alanch]

If somebody with *missing* Wherry Lines assets could provide a list, we'll be able to track down exactly which assets from which routes are used.

These are they:

Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Procedural\gen_fence_wire01.bin (Loft Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_01.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_02.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_03.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_05.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_06.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Tree_Beech_Near.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Tree_grp2_wood01.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Water\water_ditch_loft.bin (Loft Item)

[gptech]

Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_01.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_02.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_03.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_05.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Near_tree_Grp_06.bin (Scenery Item)

They're from GEML

[gptech]

Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Procedural\gen_fence_wire01.bin (Loft Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Tree_Beech_Near.bin (Scenery Item)
Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Vegetation\Tree_grp2_wood01.bin (Scenery Item)

Also from GEML, and

Assets\AP\WherryLines\Scenery\Water\water_ditch_loft.bin (Loft Item)

is from IOW.

Dead easy to find, the .bin files still have the GE and IOW prefixes in the descriptive name fields, so be aware that if you enable all the Provider\Product pairings you'll only see the assets once in the available assets listing---just which one is open to conjecture, so you could fool yourself into thinking that you're placing a Wherry Lines asset in a route when in reality you're using a GEML one.

[brysonman46]

You will also find a very large group of RW Decals that were used in setting up the route.

Nobody else seems to see those reported, so have you run the route through RW Tools yourself Nick, or just going by the number of "RW Decal" *placeholders* visible in the World Editor?
Double clicking one of those brings up the properties box with part of it's path and file name;
OcclusionVolumes~Low Bridge Occlusion Volume.xml being one such example.
That translates to ..\Nobkins\TransPennine\OcclusionVolumes\Low Bridge Occlusion Volume.bin
so rather than being *missing* decals they're sound occlusions. Blame Jim for not producing a more useful/informative flag.

Gary, I have been assisting a colleague on another forum who has had trouble installing both this route and Northern Lines from the same author. I have shown him how to use RWTools, and he has been sending me CSVs of results so I can point him in the right direction. I obviously had a "senior moment". The "missing decals" were, in fact, left in the Northern Lines, and are definitely Google Earth Decals. Tom certainly used them when working on the original TPR, so must have removed them this time! As I do not have 3/4 of the assets needed for the Harrogate Loop, I have not downloaded it.

[gptech]

had a "senior moment".

Happens to us all Nick ....all too often in my case

regardless of what/which/where/when, if anybody ever spots references to decals being reported as missing in any route then they can mostly be ignored--as Nick says these are usually RW Decal produced aids to route building.

[alanch]

Dead easy to find, the .bin files still have the GE and IOW prefixes in the descriptive name fields, so be aware that if you enable all the Provider\Product pairings you'll only see the assets once in the available assets listing---just which one is open to conjecture, so you could fool yourself into thinking that you're placing a Wherry Lines asset in a route when in reality you're using a GEML one.

OK - all copied into the Wherry Lines folder structure and all edited with a WL prefix to the names and so they point to shapes/textures in the same folder structure. Just waiting for Creative Rails to re-release East Coast Modern now.