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Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:34 am
by SkylineBoy
xguerra wrote:If you're happy with what DTG did with the 56 sounds, good for you!
But not Matt nor anyone else is telling you to buy the AP pack, so don't take it out on people who will.
Taking it out on someone? What are you talking about? I asked a question and you are being far too sensitive about it.
Nowhere did I say I was happy, just that from my observations what was described sounds more like the original, that is all.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:49 pm
by deltic009
SkylineBoy wrote:deltic009 wrote:Well, whilst the DTG one makes sounds like a 56, the looping is something I have yet to find a strong enough word to describe, and so any accuracy is lost in the fact that it sounds like I'm constantly shutting down and powering up whilst hauling a long freight up a gradient. I didn't intend to start up a "worst sounds ever" discussion, but the Class 56 is so unique with its Class 60 style rumble overlayed with screaming HST-like turbos that I feel the sounds were neither captured that well, but weren't pieced together at all in a way to try realistic representation.
Are you sure you are not describing the original? Because the description above doesn't represent what I hear from the version on Steam.
I have never owned the original, I have only ever owned the version available through Steam with the fixed silver arrows on the cab side. As it's the only one I've ever owned I'm sure I can't be remembering the other one when describing the issue.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:58 pm
by SkylineBoy
deltic009 wrote:I have never owned the original, I have only ever owned the version available through Steam with the fixed silver arrows on the cab side. As it's the only one I've ever owned I'm sure I can't be remembering the other one when describing the issue.
Glad that is cleared up then.
Although even a couple of hours on I'm still staggered that having an insignificant disagreement on sounds somehow makes me anti-AP and a DTG apologist. Quite the contrary, I'll be buying the AP pack as soon as it's released.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:12 pm
by 749006
tchouftchouf wrote:749006 wrote:We do have European routes in TS2017 and the locos were in that colour prior to departure
But I'm not really expecting AP to do a Floyd Livery
UK locos in European liveries does not seem to have been done very much
Peter
For example, this is the reason why there is no true ECR Class 66 with KPH speed indicator and KVB safety system.
JL
We have a DTG/RSC BR247/266 which has PZB and a KPH Speedo so it should be possible to use the cab from that in a EWSI Class 66 - I just don't know how to alaise one to the other.
Peter
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:58 pm
by deltic009
749006 wrote:tchouftchouf wrote:749006 wrote:We do have European routes in TS2017 and the locos were in that colour prior to departure
But I'm not really expecting AP to do a Floyd Livery
UK locos in European liveries does not seem to have been done very much
Peter
For example, this is the reason why there is no true ECR Class 66 with KPH speed indicator and KVB safety system.
JL
We have a DTG/RSC BR247/266 which has PZB and a KPH Speedo so it should be possible to use the cab from that in a EWSI Class 66 - I just don't know how to alaise one to the other.
Peter
More modern DLC through Steam has DRM protection that doesn't permit aliasing cabviews in different product folders, plus you'd possibly need to transfer across a lot of controls etc to get cabview items working.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:16 pm
by tchouftchouf
749006 wrote:tchouftchouf wrote:749006 wrote:We do have European routes in TS2017 and the locos were in that colour prior to departure
But I'm not really expecting AP to do a Floyd Livery
UK locos in European liveries does not seem to have been done very much
Peter
For example, this is the reason why there is no true ECR Class 66 with KPH speed indicator and KVB safety system.
JL
We have a DTG/RSC BR247/266 which has PZB and a KPH Speedo so it should be possible to use the cab from that in a EWSI Class 66 - I just don't know how to alaise one to the other.
Peter
Unfortunately, BR 247 and EWSI/ECR Class 66 cabs are not the same:
BR 247/266:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/kilux/tags/cab/
"French" Class 66
http://www.trainsfrancais.com/forum/cla ... 21140.html
Back to the AP Class 56.
JL
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:34 pm
by 749006
deltic009 wrote:749006 wrote:We have a DTG/RSC BR247/266 which has PZB and a KPH Speedo so it should be possible to use the cab from that in a EWSI Class 66.
More modern DLC through Steam has DRM protection that doesn't permit aliasing cabviews in different product folders, plus you'd possibly need to transfer across a lot of controls etc to get cabview items working.
I presume it's not a problem with freeware? DBSO/4 Cig comes to mind
I was aware of that
My Idea was could you use the Class 66 loco body on a BR247/266 - obviously not.
Tangent finished - go back to your 56
Peter
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:48 pm
by ttjph
NickG wrote:No disrespect intended to Matthew Wilson, but I would not have said the soundset for the dtg class 56 was that bad. It was certainly better than the dtg class 421, and the dtg class 52
I'm not usually one to grumble about the sounds, but having picked up the Steam 56 in a sale I have to say it doesn't sound like a 56, comparing either to Youtube or to my own experiences of them. It sort of sounds OK, if you imagine it's some other class of loco!
Might dip my toe in the AP water with this one at some stage...
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:10 am
by davejc64
That is what I miss most from my MSTS days, the being able to find freeware sound packs in the UKTS library and downloading and swapping them to find the ones that most sounded like the real loco, I do remember some of the class 56 ones being pretty good and bringing back memories of being trackside as one thrashed past me with a rake of MGR hoppers.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:21 pm
by smarty2
I posted a video years ago asking the question if it sounded more like a washing machine than a class 56? Guess what the replies were?
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:55 pm
by SkylineBoy
Haven't got a clue how to post an image but if you look at the link below again, a screenshot of a BR Blue version has appeared.
https://en-gb.facebook.com/armstrongpowerhouse/
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:38 pm
by Deano55
OOH BR Blue. NOW I'm interested.
Doesn't sound any different to me but it come's in BR Blue. So yay/
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:33 pm
by Trev123
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:00 pm
by TransportSteve
Out now!!!! But, we're all watching Match of the Day on BBC1, can't it wait.......I can't play with it now, it's cocoa and bedtime.
Cheerz. Transport Steve.
Re: At long last AP CLass 56 preview breaks cover
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:01 pm
by gptech
Match of the day...has to be Huddersfield