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deltic009 wrote:I'm not home yet but I've had second hand info that the Warship is modelled by bossman games, it has working DSD, the doors open, and is a good sound set too.
Thank you for mentioning that Matthew, I wondered who has made the models, have they done the Hymek and Western as well, do you know, as all 3 of them are superbly built, with opening windows and doors where appropriate, the Warship gives a right clunk when you shut them, the other two are very quiet in comparison. I also noticed what looks like a Cornish pasty in the microwave oven in the Hymek when you open the little door and the grill gives off a nice red heat source, I've not seen that before, very nicely done. I personally think DTG have sold themselves short on this DLC release, I would have happily paid £14.99 for the 2 sets of MK1 coaching stock and 18 different liveries of 3 diesel hydraulics locomotives, I expect this pack to fly off the shelf at this price, they've excelled themselves for once, I've gone quite giddy in amazement, I'll have to go and have a lie down.

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Can somebody please advise if the pack includes any blue with small yellow panels in it (on anything). I thought there was an image of a Hymek shown early on by DTG but now can't see any mention of the livery or any screenshots.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
I was wondering if I can drive them straight away without the hassle of pushing this button,turning this switch,and pulling this and that lever.
As now I'm beginning find advance models so complicated these days,and I don't think I'm alone when it comes to using advance models.
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steve1023 wrote:Can somebody please advise if the pack includes any blue with small yellow panels in it (on anything). I thought there was an image of a Hymek shown early on by DTG but now can't see any mention of the livery or any screenshots.
Thanks in advance.
The liveries provided are as stated on the Steam store page.

Class 35 in Green and BR Blue
Class 42 in Maroon, Green and BR Blue
Class 52 in Maroon, Desert Sand and BR Blue..
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michaelhendle wrote:Hi
I was wondering if I can drive them straight away without the hassle of pushing this button,turning this switch,and pulling this and that lever.
As now I'm beginning find advance models so complicated these days,and I don't think I'm alone when it comes to using advance models.
Yes, Mike, no problem, just cancel the AWS when you set the directional lever and you can drive straight off, no cabinets to open and fiddle about with like the American locomotives.
steve1023 wrote:Can somebody please advise if the pack includes any blue with small yellow panels in it (on anything). I thought there was an image of a Hymek shown early on by DTG but now can't see any mention of the livery or any screenshots.
Thanks in advance.
No blue ones with small yellow warning panels I'm afraid, these are only on the maroon, green and sand coloured liveries, all the BR Blue locos have full yellow ends.

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Anybody else having problems with the train brakes not working in the class 52 scenario, and the train brake gauge not working in the Hymek?
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Thanks Steve for your reply,just off to buy them,It's really the Warship that I'm after they were actually my favorite of the 3 locomotives,I always thought Maroon suited them the best.

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theorganist wrote:
ashgray wrote:Superb pack. However, one thing I can't quite figure out - why only the Class 42 Warships and not the 43s as well?
Did they sound much different? I know the 43's used different engines and transmissions, apparently they were prone to pyrotechnic displays.
Sound-wise, I don't think there are any MAN engines left to record the Cl43 sounds from (see also Blue Pullman?).

If you're rivet-counting or a transmission nerd, the 42s had/have a 4-speed Mekydro transmission, as per the 35s, with a single torque converter and dog-engagement (normally only used on race cars!); the torque converter is arranged to briefly reverse the input torque to allow the dogs to be disengaged and shifted! The 43s use (nominally?) the same Voith transmission as the 52s, with three different torque converters arranged to fill and drain in series, avoiding the need for a brief interruption of torque. Therefore, if nothing else the gearshift speeds should be different.
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ttjph wrote:
theorganist wrote:
ashgray wrote:Superb pack. However, one thing I can't quite figure out - why only the Class 42 Warships and not the 43s as well?
Did they sound much different? I know the 43's used different engines and transmissions, apparently they were prone to pyrotechnic displays.
Sound-wise, I don't think there are any MAN engines left to record the Cl43 sounds from (see also Blue Pullman?).

If you're rivet-counting or a transmission nerd, the 42s had/have a 4-speed Mekydro transmission, as per the 35s, with a single torque converter and dog-engagement (normally only used on race cars!); the torque converter is arranged to briefly reverse the input torque to allow the dogs to be disengaged and shifted! The 43s use (nominally?) the same Voith transmission as the 52s, with three different torque converters arranged to fill and drain in series, avoiding the need for a brief interruption of torque. Therefore, if nothing else the gearshift speeds should be different.
Hopefully a model for the future then, as the guys at the Project Class 22 Society have got a MAN engine that they're currently constructing a new-build Class 22 loco around: http://project22society.co.uk/engine/

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No one seems to have mentioned it, but I notice that all the Mk1 roofs are unnaturally extremely glossy . . it looks like an Alpha channel has gone wrong somewhere.

These textures seem to be the same (with slight color variations) as used in the 6MT Clan pack (without the sleepers of course), but that pack has nice matte roofs, not high gloss.

I see two alternatives -
1) try to work out the texture references (these seem complex and multi-faceted at first glance, as each coach type doesn't seem to use its own roof!), and clone the appropriate 6MT texture file to correct the alpha;
2) (for the maroon coaches only . . .) alias each coach to the 6MT pack by editing the .bin file - I think I'll do this as it is easier, but only for the maroon coaches of course. The downside with this is that the 6MT pack would need to be checked off in the scenario editor.

Presumably DTG will produce an update in due course
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If you alias the coaches to the 6MT pack ones then you must have that provider ticked which can put more stress on the software. I think copying the textures over would be a far more agreeable method of working.
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deltic009 wrote:If you alias the coaches to the 6MT pack ones then you must have that provider ticked which can put more stress on the software. I think copying the textures over would be a far more agreeable method of working.
Yes, I acknowledged the need to tick the box in my post. But the textures themselves don't seem to directly translate even though the "images" appear to be the same - there seems to be some variance in mapping which is a PITA to work through, and having already wasted an hour on that and finding a dead-end, I've given up on it!

To be honest, I suspect the "more stress" as you put it, would be minimal - it's only loading those coach assets called for, not really a heavy burden unless the scenario is already borderline, perhaps.

I have successfully aliased the maroon coaches. Just realized that we also have the full blue-grey reskin pack (with extra BG variants) which Richard Fletcher did, based on the 6MT pack and already with AP sounds referenced, so I am going to alias to those as well.

It's an easy reversal - just rename or delete the extra folder with the edited .bin files in it!

Ideally, DTG will fix the textures with an update in due course
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Hi
Another option is to switch them in RW Tools for the Clan Coaches,if your that worried about the roofs,personally I'll leave them alone, also you can still use Mathews,DTG and AP Westerns,that way you will still be to have the various yellow cab fronts,maybe DTG will bring a patch out to rectify things like coach roofs,and other niggardly,faults,and maybe they will do some reskins in steam market place.

I only bought the pack for the 42 Warships,I really like the paint job on both the green and maroon ones,I ave just had a run along DP Glorious Devon Exeter- Plymouth,all seems ok with the loco no brake problems,and the sounds are about right from what I remember of them in the 1960's.
I think the pack is still good value for money.

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I can't make my mind up whether this pack is worth getting. I already have 2 Class 35s one complete with pasty, a Class 42 with an assortment of paint schemes, and 2 different Class 52s. I think it all depends on how good the Class 42 in the pack is.
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The Class 42 is excellent and far superior to anything that has come before. The Class 52 has some worthwhile changes to make it accurate to the period depicted. The 35 is pretty much identical as I can see.
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