It only happens when you have a large percentage change in the throttle position, it is better than a near unchanged exhaust performance and even now, with lighter workloads and dedicated maintenance you still get a lot of exhaust initially, that then settles down as do my modifications when the RPM and fuelling stabilises. As these images attest, when the power is out on it certainly isn't an uncommon sight.jetstream wrote:OK, I couldn't recall (the 2) green Warships with all-yellow-ends; but I certainly can't remember Westerns pushing out that much clag routinely.
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Thank You! After I read your instructions (and re-read it and scratched bonce) I figured it out, all sorted now, cheers!chrisonline wrote: The Western Hydraulics pack has caused a conflict with AP's inputmapper for the Power Control using the A and D keys (not the HUD, just the keys themselves)
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deltic009 wrote:It only happens when you have a large percentage change in the throttle position, it is better than a near unchanged exhaust performance and even now, with lighter workloads and dedicated maintenance you still get a lot of exhaust initially, that then settles down as do my modifications when the RPM and fuelling stabilises. As these images attest, when the power is out on it certainly isn't an uncommon sight.jetstream wrote:OK, I couldn't recall (the 2) green Warships with all-yellow-ends; but I certainly can't remember Westerns pushing out that much clag routinely.
Were the German locomotives that used the same Maybach engines also prone to clagging?
I really liked this pack, save for the shiny coaches. Perhaps AP can do some magic on the smoke, sound and physics?
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The pictures I am showing are from my own pack that has custom smoke already, and it utilizes the AP class 52 Pro soundpack sounds, physics and simulation - thanks to the kind help of Steve Green.21C164FighterCommand wrote:deltic009 wrote:It only happens when you have a large percentage change in the throttle position, it is better than a near unchanged exhaust performance and even now, with lighter workloads and dedicated maintenance you still get a lot of exhaust initially, that then settles down as do my modifications when the RPM and fuelling stabilises. As these images attest, when the power is out on it certainly isn't an uncommon sight.jetstream wrote:OK, I couldn't recall (the 2) green Warships with all-yellow-ends; but I certainly can't remember Westerns pushing out that much clag routinely.
Were the German locomotives that used the same Maybach engines also prone to clagging?
I really liked this pack, save for the shiny coaches. Perhaps AP can do some magic on the smoke, sound and physics?
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Great realism - exactly as it should be! When the driver applies full fuelling (throttle) but the turbo hasn't spooled up, there isn't enough air to burn it all and so you get black smoke (unburnt fuel). As the turbo comes on boost, the smoke goes away. Modern engines now have electronic control of the fuelling so that there's only as much fuel as the airflow will allow (perhaps plus a tiny bit for faster response), so almost no smoke.deltic009 wrote:It only happens when you have a large percentage change in the throttle position.. you still get a lot of exhaust initially, that then settles down as do my modifications when the RPM and fuelling stabilises.
Listen carefully to this video and I think you can just about hear the turbo start to whistle around 0:17...

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I did not know that! Excellent explanation, thanks!ttjph wrote:When the driver applies full fuelling (throttle) but the turbo hasn't spooled up, there isn't enough air to burn it all and so you get black smoke (unburnt fuel). As the turbo comes on boost, the smoke goes away. Modern engines now have electronic control of the fuelling so that there's only as much fuel as the airflow will allow (perhaps plus a tiny bit for faster response), so almost no smoke.
Listen carefully to this video and I think you can just about hear the turbo start to whistle around 0:17...
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- I believe this has three turbos in series (compound charged). Same thing though - once properly underway the smoke clears.
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And great video of the Western . . . almost as realistic as Matthew's! As for that hotrod . .
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Re: WR Hydraulics
Ok Guys
I have read all the posts about the new Hydraulic pack and am keen to get it.
I currently only have Hydraulics installed on my PC from a company that shall not be mentioned. I do not have the DTG Class 52 etc. And I dont have the Armstrong Powerhouse AP Class 52 Sound Pack either.
My question is....to get the best out of the new pack, what do I need ? Does the new pack work with the AP Class 52 Sound pack ? Am I better off just downloading the new pack of Hydraulics, and installing the DP Simulations livery add ons that have just been created, and nothing else at present ?
Any advice please guys ?
Thanks
Derek
I have read all the posts about the new Hydraulic pack and am keen to get it.
I currently only have Hydraulics installed on my PC from a company that shall not be mentioned. I do not have the DTG Class 52 etc. And I dont have the Armstrong Powerhouse AP Class 52 Sound Pack either.
My question is....to get the best out of the new pack, what do I need ? Does the new pack work with the AP Class 52 Sound pack ? Am I better off just downloading the new pack of Hydraulics, and installing the DP Simulations livery add ons that have just been created, and nothing else at present ?
Any advice please guys ?
Thanks
Derek
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Re: WR Hydraulics
Only if you do it yourself, there's no *official* update to the AP pack yet.shinymac wrote:Does the new pack work with the AP Class 52 Sound pack ?
Yes. Install the default pack and wait until AP or Matthew release any updates.shinymac wrote:Am I better off just downloading the new pack of Hydraulics, and installing the DP Simulations livery add ons that have just been created, and nothing else at present ?
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Hi Gary
Thanks for the advice.
I will do as you say.
Cheers Mate
Derek
Thanks for the advice.
I will do as you say.
Cheers Mate
Derek
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AP have updated the Western Sound Pack this afternoon, it's now compatible with the 52 in the hydraulic diesel pack.
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Re: WR Hydraulics
I seem to be having a spot of bother with the maroon full yellow examples of both Warships and Westerns.
Initially neither of them were showing up when placed in the game although they were available in the asset list. I completely re-installed them and problem solved.
Now I've added the updated AP Western sounds I don't get any engine sounds for the maroon full yellow Western. All other versions of the Western are fine. With the full yellow example I have all other sounds such as the horn and various sounds from within the cab but just not the engine sounds. I've re-installed them again along with the AP sound pack but to no avail.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Paul
Initially neither of them were showing up when placed in the game although they were available in the asset list. I completely re-installed them and problem solved.
Now I've added the updated AP Western sounds I don't get any engine sounds for the maroon full yellow Western. All other versions of the Western are fine. With the full yellow example I have all other sounds such as the horn and various sounds from within the cab but just not the engine sounds. I've re-installed them again along with the AP sound pack but to no avail.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Paul
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Do any other reskins work OK Paul?...I'd hazard a guess that they would need their .bin files editing to be compatible with the soundpack
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All other reskins are fine, it's just the maroon full yellow that's giving me the problem.
Thanks,
Paul
Thanks,
Paul
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Re: WR Hydraulics
Gary's right Paul, the AP sounds will only work at the moment with the liveries provided in the default Hydraulic pack. There are quite a few differences in the engine bin files due to AP's advanced scripting. Richard Fletcher and Matthew are on the case.
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Thanks Gary and Steve.
I understand. Sit tight seems like the order of the day.
Cheers,
Paul
I understand. Sit tight seems like the order of the day.
Cheers,
Paul