Just Trains - South Western Expressways - Released

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safathome wrote: So why are we tempted with "Pro" controls, photo-realistic cabs and real sounds.Timetabled scenarios & top notch traction & rolling stock ?

I have put this route into the disused siding, I have raised some concerns with it to JT - no reply jet.

I have other sims, Trucks, racing, beamNG and I love VR (via the phone) Have dabbled in Flight Sim but that's in the hanger - not because of any graphics / scenery issues though.
My first choice will always be Train Sim (inc TSW when the scope widens).
And why did they remove 3D off the TV ? got this altra HD lark (and use the TV (50" screen) for TS with a nice Bose sound bar).

And I have just started to learn the electric Guitar

I eagerly await the Cornish Main Line from JT but I will be keeping my thoughts to myself and JT............maybe :D

Steve

Thank you for the pics as it solidifies my stance on JT's route offerings. Some of these issues are very insignificant, but it doesn't take a "replica" vs "simulation" stance to understand that trees don't just grow into concrete structures. Quite alarming how many people have a vested business interest in JT where even picture sharing is shamed in favor of "silence" as it's quite clear some of these people have a hand in JT's pockets. Shame to see that UKTS is turning into RWA in terms of a sugar-coated community where criticism gets you banned over there.
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safathome wrote:This is just outside Taunton looking towards Tiverton - cant miss it really - dont you agree ?
Actually, no...I don't agree. Admittedly my eyesight ain't the best, but what the **** am I supposed to be looking for? Take pity on an old idiot and edit your screen shot with the offending vegetation circled or something.
CapitolLimited wrote:Some of these issues are very insignificant, but it doesn't take a "replica" vs "simulation" stance to understand that trees don't just grow into concrete structures
Actually......

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and if you harness the power of Google/Bling/Ask Jeeves/any other past or present search engine you'll find thousands of images showing trees and other plants growing through/in/across concrete or any other man made material. Argue all you like with the likes of us in here, but Mother Nature will beat you.

So.... we have insignificant issues being complained about---define insignificant.

Whilst to most of us the issues Steve has mentioned from time to time are trivial, for one knowing an area intimately they may well have a greater impact. Nothing wrong with that, just as there's nothing wrong with somebody moaning about badly rendered pointwork in a route--we all have our own wee 'pet hates'.
CapitolLimited wrote:Quite alarming how many people have a vested business interest in JT where even picture sharing is shamed in favor of "silence" as it's quite clear some of these people have a hand in JT's pockets.
Am I the only one to see the irony in somebody with your user name posting about commercial interest? (come on Ash, see the joke...OK, substitute one vowel with another to get the full effect)
Secondly, have you any proof that there are members with a 'vested interest' posting in here? as far as I can see there's only one with a declared interest/connection to JT having made any comments, those comments NOT being defensive about the standard of the route. Personally my connection with JT goes as far as owning a handful of their routes and locos, and living in the same city as somebody who has done work for/with them. Also, where has the fact that a picture has been shared been shamed?

If you, or even Steve, would care to cite your most favourite of wonderfully made routes, and give me a couple of hours I'll wager I can find a couple of dozen faults with it---possibly mostly insignificant ones to yourself but faults none the less.
CapitolLimited wrote:Shame to see that UKTS is turning into RWA in terms of a sugar-coated community where criticism gets you banned over there.


Can you show me where somebody who has passed criticism has been banned? There's nothing wrong with criticising things, in a constructive manner of course, but what does get folk a 'holiday' from posting (not a ban) is how they react/respond to replies to their criticisms, or criticising ad nauseam at every available opportunity in a less than polite manner. Of course there'll be conflicting viewpoints on any reported *error* and of course there are providers who are perceived as being faultless and defended vociferously (blindly?) no matter what, but as long as things remain a discussion and not a playground squabble nobody gets a ban. Your post could be read as getting close to being a candidate for such a 'hoiliday', being largely conjecture, not backed up by any evidence, and potentially libellous as well as insulting.
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safathome wrote:This is just outside Taunton looking towards Tiverton - cant miss it really - dont you agree ?
I'm not familiar with the route (simulated or actual), but from the screen shot and its file name (Bridge at Taunton.jpg). I assume that safathome is concerned about the accuracy of the bridge. It's a very large and obvious structure, so if not correct it would certainly be something that worried me.

P.S. If it's the bridge by Taunton Royal Mail Depot, then Google Maps shows it as being ramped, but not anything like as complex or massive as in the screen shot. Also the ramps on the north side face west in real life not east. How much this bothers people will vary. It would bother me if I was familiar with the route.

I won't play DTG Cardiff to Swansea because of the bad representation of Port Talbot steel works, which I'm familiar with. I wouldn't mind some abstraction or simplification of the works, but not to include the two blast furnaces is just plain wrong.
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Whos a rivet counter ! just look at the work that has gone into this. someones unseen work or little seen work - full credit to this, it shows that not easily seen - time has been taken to recreate it.

Screenshot_Chatham Main Line_51.48956--0.14829_12-44-54.jpg

I suppose listing favourite route(s) for "spot the error" makes the purpose of this thread invalid.

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Steve

The difference may be due to whether or not the model in your photo above is freeware or payware.

If it's the former, then the author has unlimited time to produce the model to whatever degree of fine detail and accuracy they desire. There is no pressure on them as such and they can happily provide models with as many rivets as rivet counters love to count. With payware (which is what the JT route in question is), the author is constrained to designing and producing the product according to commercial considerations such as an agreed price and to a strict deadline (sometimes irrespective of whether or not it's finished). They therefore do not have the freedom available to freeware builders or the luxury of having even an opportunity to detail a route or a model as fully as they personally might wish.

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In addition to Ash's comments above, some payware providers do and some don't work with such strict release-deadlines.

And in regards to my own affiliations to JT, I'm a customer who at some point got unhappy with the number of issues that I found in various add-ons I bought from them, and said to them I'd be interested in helping them with testing to catch issues before release rather than after release.

So far I've helped them testing two routes, this being one of them, and in that testing learned among other things how easy it is for accidents in the editor to happen, how easy it is to miss errors, how easy it is to overlook various things, how hard it can sometimes be to make a satisfactory reproduction of reality in TS, and that having to live with a finite set of objects there have to be compromises in what can be achieved in a given amount of time.

I guess the tree under the bridge, which we all agree shouldn't have been there, has by now become rather symbolic of the errors that Steve is annoyed with. And I can't say I can blame him for being annoyed with those errors he spotted, because I know how much annoyed I've been myself with various inaccuracies on various routes. It's just that for some people, it's been dragged out a little bit too long in the wrong place (a forum thread, rather than JT support, although I gather that JT support hasn't answered yet anything. Holiday season, perhaps?).


Regarding the earlier allegation for shaming Steve for the screenshot posted - I don't know to whom that was directed, I don't think I did any shaming, I only stated that even on the screenshot it was hard for me to spot said tree. And I have not seen it in any of my testing! I know however how it will stick out once seen.


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Well I purchased this route from Just Trains [ plus many of their offerings] And am well pleased as always.
Also I live only 7 miles south from Taunton and close to the line and am quite satisfied.
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Ah, but you're an OLDowl so your eyes are probably as bad as mine :wink:
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Hi everyone tis me again.
Have had a part response back from JT support over a freeze issue trying to do a quick drive from Bristol to Westbury which might surprise you all that I have not mentioned on here :D
So in response to this I have had to reinstall SWE- yipee
The instruction is to verify the integrity of the game cache. there is no change have completing this several times.

This is what I am getting, unable to move because the complete freeze of PC.
TM freeze.jpg

Anyone know how to drive the whole 180 mile route in Quick drive yet ??

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1. Ask JT. :-?

2. I'd get my PC looked at if I were you.

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Steve, what are the specs of your PC?
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gptech wrote:Steve, what are the specs of your PC?
Alienware X51_R2
Intel core i5_4440
CPU @3.10GHZ
Installed memory 8.00GB
64 bit operating system
X64 based processor
intelHD Graphics 4600
Nvidia geforce GTX 645
Intel disply Audio
Nvidia high definition audio
Nvidia virtual audio device
4th generation core processor DRAM controller- ocoo

And I would like to point out that I own a vast array of addons of which all behave correctly be it short high density routes to the long routes

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Right, so basically it's a laptop dressed up as a desktop PC, the graphics card is a touch on the weak side. I think you have more faith in the name 'Alienware' than I'd give it, but essentially it's a competent enough system. However, having a competent system is no guarantee that everything in TS will work in the same way as it does for another guy.
safathome wrote:I would like to point out that I own a vast array of addons of which all behave correctly be it short high density routes to the long routes
Nobody doubted that you had, but the length of a route isn't the criteria you should be using; it's the level of detail and total hit on resources that counts.
Your testing is also flawed. Can you drive through the area where you're getting the freeze in a free roam? QD scenarios are not a very good test, as they introduce their own variables--far better to test with something that you're in control of.
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gptech wrote:Right, so basically it's a laptop dressed up as a desktop PC, the graphics card is a touch on the weak side. I think you have more faith in the name 'Alienware' than I'd give it, but essentially it's a competent enough system. However, having a competent system is no guarantee that everything in TS will work in the same way as it does for another guy.
safathome wrote:I would like to point out that I own a vast array of addons of which all behave correctly be it short high density routes to the long routes
Nobody doubted that you had, but the length of a route isn't the criteria you should be using; it's the level of detail and total hit on resources that counts.
Your testing is also flawed. Can you drive through the area where you're getting the freeze in a free roam? QD scenarios are not a very good test, as they introduce their own variables--far better to test with something that you're in control of.
I have created a Free roam from the same platform at Bristol Tm and it happily runs without crash (there is nothing in the base game in SWE to start a free roam at Bristol) so the compromise is that in FR (created by myself) that there is no A.I unless I place it - good idea thinking about this, does away with Scotrail sleeper set, class 20's on ballast etc but on the downside the more A.I I introduce will pull the resources of the PC down - solution upgrade the P.C just so I can use SWE in QD when all other routes are handled well by the P.C ? maybe a Christmas present to me. in the meantime a much better solution is to (again) remove SWE and carry on happily without it and annoying everyone on here with me harping on about its quality & performance.

And I forgot to mention whilst driving in the cab I use track IR - so being able to move around in the cab I am able to see more of whats outside then just a static front view without having to press keys all the time and I also use Raildriver.

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To gptech, you are quite right. I'm 65, just retired and wearing glasses.
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