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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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Mike is perfectly correct in saying that mass merging is very problematical when trying to renumber AND shift items within a tile. I managed it on single tiles by a series of selection and movement withing the editor - but never with track. A lot of work, and in the main it is better to bite the bullet, and redo all the scenery etc on the extended part of the base route.
I did manage to successfully merge WCMLoverShap and The Port Road, because they had the SAME ORIGIN (Dumfries). I created clones of each, then truncated WCMLoS about 1 mile south of Carlisle, keeping the southern part (and also removing the OHLE as I was regressing to 1950/60s). The Port Road finished around a few hundred metres north of this, so I was able to merge the two clones. This left a gap of one tiles worth of track. As this was plain track, connecting them was simple. The 2 tracks bin files were also merged (quite a simple task really, using a suitable text editor). Some smoothing of the terrain was needed at the join. Whether this HUGE route will ever make it to the public domain is another matter, but I do a little on it (relaying track and infrastructure lost in the late 60s) in between working on my other projects.
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mikesimpson wrote:I spent a great deal of time trying to merge routes when the original Rail Simulator (predecessor to TS20..) came out by trying to calculate the different positions on each tile of the objects there and converting them mathematically to their position on new blank tiles added to the original route.

Unfortunately due to lines of longitude not being parallel but merging towards the poles, the distances within tiles changes as they head north/south, and the math involved was way beyond me.

However if you believe the earth is really flat, then lines of longitude will be parallel and route merging should then be possible?

Mike
I belive route merging would be possible. I mean, it is just a matter of moving tiles. If a user goes into route A's editor and head over to the coordinates of route B's Point of origin, and note the tile position, then he have that is needed to rename the tiles nessesarly.

Now I stumbled upon an error that when I did this, my tiles was 13 tiles off and I had to do this a 2nd time to do thins correct. I Think that it would work better if, instead of haing a Point of origin, it would be better to have a reference Point of a station along route B. One way would be to head to that station's coordinates in both routes, and note down the tile pos. and see the difference. I belvie that would work out great!
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SummerADDE wrote: I belive route merging would be possible. I mean, it is just a matter of moving tiles. If a user goes into route A's editor and head over to the coordinates of route B's Point of origin, and note the tile position, then he have that is needed to rename the tiles nessesarly.

Now I stumbled upon an error that when I did this, my tiles was 13 tiles off and I had to do this a 2nd time to do thins correct. I Think that it would work better if, instead of haing a Point of origin, it would be better to have a reference Point of a station along route B. One way would be to head to that station's coordinates in both routes, and note down the tile pos. and see the difference. I belvie that would work out great!
Oh, if it were that simple. Yes, you can move all the types of tiles by renumbering, but you will FAIL with the track tiles. As I have said on more than one occasion, renumbering tiles does put the scenery, etc, in roughly the right place (ie from 0 to 400m out in horizontal and vertical positions), but you will still need to lay the track. Again, as I have said before, you can select a large section of scenery, and then move it to the correct position (again, before laying track).
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Well, I get it now. Loft tiles is not possible to be moved!

I have learned my lession. Tried to move some roads but that simply fails the game.

Came to the conclusion that the problem in that case is lying within the road tile itself and not the .bin as the .bin was pretty much empty.

Well, did an apptempt but seems that I need to convince my Swedish newbies to not start the coordinates next to their favorite Town next time. ;)
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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gptech wrote:It's only brilliant if both routes have the same origin---is this the case?
Am I correct in saying the origin is the longtitude and latitude?
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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class1987 wrote:
gptech wrote:It's only brilliant if both routes have the same origin---is this the case?
Am I correct in saying the origin is the longtitude and latitude?
Correct. Here it is from the "RouteProperties" of RSC Liverpool to Manchester

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					<Origin>
						<sGeoPosition>
							<Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="32772D211FB44A40" d:precision="string">53.4072</Lat>
							<Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="6F47382D78D107C0" d:precision="string">-2.97728</Long>
						</sGeoPosition>
					</Origin>
If 2 routes have the same origin (such as Western Lines of Scotland and WCML over Shap) then they can be joined together.
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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Great I'll check both add ons of Manchester to Liverpool and the WCML Trent valley (Staford) for their origins and reply back with the result :)
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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Here are the start points for all the UK routes I have in Latitude order.
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Great Central Railway - Version 3 488f4ff8-1099-4148-b9b9-1da7b2627d86 0 0
Par Penzance fc83556d-1d74-45dd-949f-eb356af274f3 50.2641 -5.06521
Falmouth Branch Line ffa14952-5aaa-4ccd-ab34-0748b8736e61 50.2641 -5.0652
China Clay for Export 3e70bff5-5919-4494-b9fa-b8880878666e 50.3518 -4.7089
The Isle of Wight 6268b042-6154-4ec9-b060-bcc702dd18e3 50.6829 -1.1376
Southampton to Weymouth V4.0 b2330a5a-9cb9-4ae4-a9f8-35d1fa00dfb9 50.7285 -1.86741
Riviera Line 00000042-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 50.7291 -3.54401
Riviera Line in the Fifties 00000059-0000-0000-0000-000000002015 50.7291 -3.54401
Bristol to Exeter 888f94a0-027c-4991-ab4f-08ad1dd5072f 51.0645 -2.9777
Barnstaple to Exeter 09265fc3-772c-47c3-a6f0-a0420a6e8f01 51.0737 -4.0633
West Somerset Railway Members Edition V2 32f055e1-35e6-4779-a0f0-ee761bfa8898 51.1272 -3.2725
West Somerset Railway 00000041-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.1272 -3.2725
Portsmouth Direct Line 00000015-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.2373 -0.5814
North Somerset Railway 00000067-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.2593 -2.40934
Somerset Dorset Joint Railway Bournemouth West to Bath and Burnham 0ed42e7e-276f-4078-90c7-9202f7593874 51.3815 -2.3669
Somerset Dorset Joint Railway 00000002-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.3815 -2.3669
London St Pancras to Bedford MML 00000034-d000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North South West London Thameslink and Kent 00000034-f004-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North London Line (Backdated) 00000056-b000-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
London Victoria + St Pancras to Faversham 2012 00000066-a000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
London to Brighton 00000034-a000-0000-0000-000000002012 51.393 0.168856
South London Network 00000034-b000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
London Faversham High Speed 00000034-c000-0000-0000-000000002013 51.393 0.168856
South London Network to Brighton 00000034-f000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North South West London and Thameslink 00000034-f003-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North London Line 00000056-0000-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
Chatham Main Line 00000066-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.393 0.168856
Western Mainlines 76e7c6a5-67b5-4674-b4fb-b0f4663c1d4b 51.4945 -2.69734
Bristol And Avonmouth - Just Trains 99a93ba6-fba3-4d1f-a56a-ced80ead6c01 51.4945 -2.69734
Great Western Mainline 00000001-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.5182 -0.1848
Great Western Mainline to Swindon in the BR Blue Period cc2224d3-80a3-4057-bce8-d65cff532fa0 51.5182 -0.1848
The Wycombe Railway and Joint Line 4e247106-dbdb-4abd-ba63-90700e683a46 51.5187 -0.72113
Chiltern Mainline & The West Midlands 8f39a2d6-c980-4ede-abe3-680f1d77296d 51.523 -0.16316
South Wales Coastal 00000064-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.5842 -2.7776
South Wales Coastal - Bristol to Swansea 00000068-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.5842 -2.7776
Maerdy Branch (The) 15f61638-106d-4853-968d-c5bde0a3d5e1 51.6642 -3.4455
Return to Maerdy 7094a88f-9e7f-42f2-82a3-a26d9d67cddd 51.6642 -3.4455
GEML London Ipswich 00000038-0000-0000-0000-000000002013 51.9007 0.892629
Granfield Branch 126aec85-5e38-43be-84b4-3fbdf1db59c8 52.0604 -1.3278
ECML 1 London – Peterborough 00000029-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 52.1248 -0.280925
ECML 1a London to Peterborough 1970 (Workshop) a0143040-1ef1-4131-95bf-22ba607e430d 52.1248 -0.280925
Wherry Lines - Norwich to Great Yarmouth & Lowestoft 3a99321a-0bb2-47be-bcad-b20cfe48a945 52.6265 1.307
Corris Railway 5a8e4eb3-ddf3-4b01-a440-80c4c536b536 52.6537 -3.8418
WCML Trent Valley 30f0de2f-465e-495d-ac2f-1786a9a4e82a 52.8038 -2.12275
The Conwy Valley Line - Trawsfynydd Branch f5104371-d2cf-455b-a61a-7bc1d4318f7f 52.9946 -3.93647
ECML 2 Peterborough to York 1970 dc6db53f-8c84-413d-b32d-188f3ec7b531 53.0819 -0.79982
Woodhead Line (The) 1b99a16b-f5f5-4a5b-bcfc-49e1a60b1470 53.4954 -1.83208
Manchester to Sheffield cb9d0042-3b55-444f-84fc-f09e66d3e36c 53.4954 -1.83208
Doncaster Works 00000020-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 53.5225 -1.1423
Hedborough North 00000007-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 53.6297 -0.2159
Skipton to Carlisle UKTS c611624b-dc13-45b6-bd49-cb3ac6ca9744 54.1312 -2.3016
Coniston Branch Mk1 b190b424-7bff-4bb7-95ba-ccd523edce7f 54.2589 -3.21602
Bishop Auckland to Darlington 9bdbdc71-dba1-455d-a0de-1b72a11a7c4a 54.522 -1.5456
Settle to Carlisle 00000033-0000-0000-0000-000000002012 54.5829 -2.49061
Weardale and Teesdale Rail Network 00000112-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.6572 -1.6781
ECML 3 York to Newcastle BR Days 1970 00000003-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.8546 -1.5801
WCMLN-NCL ACE-tracks.bin 5278d16b-3394-4568-8cf3-d3980935dbff 54.8906 -2.9331
ACE-tracks.bin-WCMLN-NCL 5278d16b-3394-4568-8cf3-d3980935dbff 54.8906 -2.9331
WCML North 00000011-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.8906 -2.9331
ECML 4 Newcastle to Edinburgh 2015 (JT) e07cc914-874a-41de-9b54-234d13678011 54.9668 -1.6197
West of Scotland Lines (Port Road Original) 00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 55.0725 -3.6045
West of Scotland Lines - The Port Road 13cd4c14-4798-4b9c-8fea-e69409602428 55.0725 -3.6045
WCML Over Shap ce4052d1-669a-4529-b16b-1972fc32913a 55.0725 -3.6045
Glasgow Airport Rail Link 1278bca0-e7d3-4d5e-a4c4-780dea632ece 55.8632 -4.4302
Edinburgh to Glasgow - Scenery Extension (DPS) a2140f35-1846-4c48-b9d4-6ae8bb89888d 55.9847 -3.71495
Edinburgh to Glasgow ffc02253-25f0-40a6-9759-2c142c8fff56 55.9847 -3.715
West Highland Line South 831aba01-33e5-4d9f-91fd-555ac277dcaf 56.3903 -4.6189
ECML 5 Edinburgh to Perth 2015 (JT) d52c1ed9-de9b-4685-90d1-89dab3427164 56.4543 -2.979
Mallaig Extension 1983 4f5cdfc5-abfc-408e-ac63-c94ec0290f25 56.8205 -5.10615
West Highland Line Extension fdb37c6f-e125-4b1e-a68c-157a378ca70d 56.8205 -5.1061
Kyle Line JT 4e73ba5b-5db3-42a8-aaca-ef4650da29c4 57.4803 -4.22231
Far North Line (The) [Modern] e0649318-1f2b-42ec-9155-09e28d2975ac 58.5153 -3.4521
Hope it's not too big, I also have it as a spreadsheet if anyone wants. Cheers John
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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Well done John. I have a similar (but much smaller) list. As can be seen, very few routes have the same origin. Exceptions are those by Keith Ross (Port Road & WCMLoS), and those being linked by danny3 (MML followed by the lines around London, all by DTG). A number are extensions of existing lines (such as our Extension of the GWML to Swindon in BRBLue period), which obviously have the same origin. If only we had realised the problem years ago, then we could have taken a different course. Do we know how TSW will have route origin definitions? If so, perhaps we could take this thread into account when we come to produce new routes, for the obvious reasons.

Nick

PS you can also list the place of origin, by using a website such as http://www.latlong.net/Show-Latitude-Longitude.html
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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johnrossetti wrote:Here are the start points for all the UK routes I have in Latitude order.
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Great Central Railway - Version 3 488f4ff8-1099-4148-b9b9-1da7b2627d86 0 0
Par Penzance fc83556d-1d74-45dd-949f-eb356af274f3 50.2641 -5.06521
Falmouth Branch Line ffa14952-5aaa-4ccd-ab34-0748b8736e61 50.2641 -5.0652
China Clay for Export 3e70bff5-5919-4494-b9fa-b8880878666e 50.3518 -4.7089
The Isle of Wight 6268b042-6154-4ec9-b060-bcc702dd18e3 50.6829 -1.1376
Southampton to Weymouth V4.0 b2330a5a-9cb9-4ae4-a9f8-35d1fa00dfb9 50.7285 -1.86741
Riviera Line 00000042-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 50.7291 -3.54401
Riviera Line in the Fifties 00000059-0000-0000-0000-000000002015 50.7291 -3.54401
Bristol to Exeter 888f94a0-027c-4991-ab4f-08ad1dd5072f 51.0645 -2.9777
Barnstaple to Exeter 09265fc3-772c-47c3-a6f0-a0420a6e8f01 51.0737 -4.0633
West Somerset Railway Members Edition V2 32f055e1-35e6-4779-a0f0-ee761bfa8898 51.1272 -3.2725
West Somerset Railway 00000041-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.1272 -3.2725
Portsmouth Direct Line 00000015-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.2373 -0.5814
North Somerset Railway 00000067-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.2593 -2.40934
Somerset Dorset Joint Railway Bournemouth West to Bath and Burnham 0ed42e7e-276f-4078-90c7-9202f7593874 51.3815 -2.3669
Somerset Dorset Joint Railway 00000002-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.3815 -2.3669
London St Pancras to Bedford MML 00000034-d000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North South West London Thameslink and Kent 00000034-f004-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North London Line (Backdated) 00000056-b000-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
London Victoria + St Pancras to Faversham 2012 00000066-a000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
London to Brighton 00000034-a000-0000-0000-000000002012 51.393 0.168856
South London Network 00000034-b000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
London Faversham High Speed 00000034-c000-0000-0000-000000002013 51.393 0.168856
South London Network to Brighton 00000034-f000-0000-0000-000000002014 51.393 0.168856
South London and Thameslink 00000034-f002-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North South West London and Thameslink 00000034-f003-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
North London Line 00000056-0000-0000-0000-000000002015 51.393 0.168856
Chatham Main Line 00000066-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.393 0.168856
Western Mainlines 76e7c6a5-67b5-4674-b4fb-b0f4663c1d4b 51.4945 -2.69734
Bristol And Avonmouth - Just Trains 99a93ba6-fba3-4d1f-a56a-ced80ead6c01 51.4945 -2.69734
Great Western Mainline 00000001-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 51.5182 -0.1848
Great Western Mainline to Swindon in the BR Blue Period cc2224d3-80a3-4057-bce8-d65cff532fa0 51.5182 -0.1848
The Wycombe Railway and Joint Line 4e247106-dbdb-4abd-ba63-90700e683a46 51.5187 -0.72113
Chiltern Mainline & The West Midlands 8f39a2d6-c980-4ede-abe3-680f1d77296d 51.523 -0.16316
South Wales Coastal 00000064-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.5842 -2.7776
South Wales Coastal - Bristol to Swansea 00000068-0000-0000-0000-000000002016 51.5842 -2.7776
Maerdy Branch (The) 15f61638-106d-4853-968d-c5bde0a3d5e1 51.6642 -3.4455
Return to Maerdy 7094a88f-9e7f-42f2-82a3-a26d9d67cddd 51.6642 -3.4455
GEML London Ipswich 00000038-0000-0000-0000-000000002013 51.9007 0.892629
Granfield Branch 126aec85-5e38-43be-84b4-3fbdf1db59c8 52.0604 -1.3278
ECML 1 London – Peterborough 00000029-0000-0000-0000-000000002014 52.1248 -0.280925
ECML 1a London to Peterborough 1970 (Workshop) a0143040-1ef1-4131-95bf-22ba607e430d 52.1248 -0.280925
Wherry Lines - Norwich to Great Yarmouth & Lowestoft 3a99321a-0bb2-47be-bcad-b20cfe48a945 52.6265 1.307
Corris Railway 5a8e4eb3-ddf3-4b01-a440-80c4c536b536 52.6537 -3.8418
WCML Trent Valley 30f0de2f-465e-495d-ac2f-1786a9a4e82a 52.8038 -2.12275
The Conwy Valley Line - Trawsfynydd Branch f5104371-d2cf-455b-a61a-7bc1d4318f7f 52.9946 -3.93647
ECML 2 Peterborough to York 1970 dc6db53f-8c84-413d-b32d-188f3ec7b531 53.0819 -0.79982
Woodhead Line (The) 1b99a16b-f5f5-4a5b-bcfc-49e1a60b1470 53.4954 -1.83208
Manchester to Sheffield cb9d0042-3b55-444f-84fc-f09e66d3e36c 53.4954 -1.83208
Doncaster Works 00000020-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 53.5225 -1.1423
Hedborough North 00000007-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 53.6297 -0.2159
Skipton to Carlisle UKTS c611624b-dc13-45b6-bd49-cb3ac6ca9744 54.1312 -2.3016
Coniston Branch Mk1 b190b424-7bff-4bb7-95ba-ccd523edce7f 54.2589 -3.21602
Bishop Auckland to Darlington 9bdbdc71-dba1-455d-a0de-1b72a11a7c4a 54.522 -1.5456
Settle to Carlisle 00000033-0000-0000-0000-000000002012 54.5829 -2.49061
Weardale and Teesdale Rail Network 00000112-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.6572 -1.6781
ECML 3 York to Newcastle BR Days 1970 00000003-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.8546 -1.5801
WCMLN-NCL ACE-tracks.bin 5278d16b-3394-4568-8cf3-d3980935dbff 54.8906 -2.9331
ACE-tracks.bin-WCMLN-NCL 5278d16b-3394-4568-8cf3-d3980935dbff 54.8906 -2.9331
WCML North 00000011-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 54.8906 -2.9331
ECML 4 Newcastle to Edinburgh 2015 (JT) e07cc914-874a-41de-9b54-234d13678011 54.9668 -1.6197
West of Scotland Lines (Port Road Original) 00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 55.0725 -3.6045
West of Scotland Lines - The Port Road 13cd4c14-4798-4b9c-8fea-e69409602428 55.0725 -3.6045
WCML Over Shap ce4052d1-669a-4529-b16b-1972fc32913a 55.0725 -3.6045
Glasgow Airport Rail Link 1278bca0-e7d3-4d5e-a4c4-780dea632ece 55.8632 -4.4302
Edinburgh to Glasgow - Scenery Extension (DPS) a2140f35-1846-4c48-b9d4-6ae8bb89888d 55.9847 -3.71495
Edinburgh to Glasgow ffc02253-25f0-40a6-9759-2c142c8fff56 55.9847 -3.715
West Highland Line South 831aba01-33e5-4d9f-91fd-555ac277dcaf 56.3903 -4.6189
ECML 5 Edinburgh to Perth 2015 (JT) d52c1ed9-de9b-4685-90d1-89dab3427164 56.4543 -2.979
Mallaig Extension 1983 4f5cdfc5-abfc-408e-ac63-c94ec0290f25 56.8205 -5.10615
West Highland Line Extension fdb37c6f-e125-4b1e-a68c-157a378ca70d 56.8205 -5.1061
Kyle Line JT 4e73ba5b-5db3-42a8-aaca-ef4650da29c4 57.4803 -4.22231
Far North Line (The) [Modern] e0649318-1f2b-42ec-9155-09e28d2975ac 58.5153 -3.4521
Hope it's not too big, I also have it as a spreadsheet if anyone wants. Cheers John
That helps a lot I'll use this as a guide, thanks for that.
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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brysonman46 wrote:
class1987 wrote:
gptech wrote:It's only brilliant if both routes have the same origin---is this the case?
Am I correct in saying the origin is the longtitude and latitude?
Correct. Here it is from the "RouteProperties" of RSC Liverpool to Manchester

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					<Origin>
						<sGeoPosition>
							<Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="32772D211FB44A40" d:precision="string">53.4072</Lat>
							<Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="6F47382D78D107C0" d:precision="string">-2.97728</Long>
						</sGeoPosition>
					</Origin>
If 2 routes have the same origin (such as Western Lines of Scotland and WCML over Shap) then they can be joined together.
Here is the WCML Trent Valley origin so from Liverpool to Manchester and this <Origin>
<sGeoPosition>
<Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="2D431CEBE2664A40" d:precision="string">52.8038</Lat>
<Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="08AC1C5A64FB00C0" d:precision="string">-2.12275</Long>
</sGeoPosition>
 Would this be possible to do?
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

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brysonman46 wrote:If 2 routes have the same origin (such as Western Lines of Scotland and WCML over Shap) then they can be joined together.
Liverpool to Manchester

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<Origin>
                  <sGeoPosition>
                     <Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="32772D211FB44A40" d:precision="string">53.4072</Lat>
                     <Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="6F47382D78D107C0" d:precision="string">-2.97728</Long>
                  </sGeoPosition>
               </Origin>
class1987 wrote:Here is the WCML Trent Valley origin so from Liverpool to Manchester and this

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    <Origin>
	          <sGeoPosition>
	               <Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="2D431CEBE2664A40" d:precision="string">52.8038</Lat>
	               <Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="08AC1C5A64FB00C0" d:precision="string">-2.12275</Long>
	           </sGeoPosition>
               </Origin>
Would this be possible to do?
They're close, but not the same.
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brysonman46
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Re: how to copy and paste part of a route onto another?

Post by brysonman46 »

gptech wrote:
brysonman46 wrote:If 2 routes have the same origin (such as Western Lines of Scotland and WCML over Shap) then they can be joined together.
Liverpool to Manchester

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<Origin>
                  <sGeoPosition>
                     <Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="32772D211FB44A40" d:precision="string">53.4072</Lat>
                     <Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="6F47382D78D107C0" d:precision="string">-2.97728</Long>
                  </sGeoPosition>
               </Origin>
class1987 wrote:Here is the WCML Trent Valley origin so from Liverpool to Manchester and this

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    <Origin>
	          <sGeoPosition>
	               <Lat d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="2D431CEBE2664A40" d:precision="string">52.8038</Lat>
	               <Long d:type="sFloat64" d:alt_encoding="08AC1C5A64FB00C0" d:precision="string">-2.12275</Long>
	           </sGeoPosition>
               </Origin>
Would this be possible to do?
They're close, but not the same.
Aye, Liverpool to Stafford - 70 miles. Even a mile or 2 would make it impossible to join them. I am afraid that you are going to have to bite the bullet and build your route to Manchester. Coming from the Stafford direction trains go to either Manchester or Liverpool, not both, so no need to include LivMan in your route. Only when diversions are necessary would this happen. An express from the south arrives at Piccadilly, and passengers for stations on the CLC line for stations to Warrington change to platform 14. Similarly, an express from the south arrives at Lime Street, and passengers can then take a local train towards Warrington Central. You may have been misled by some of the scenarios for the LivMan route that talk about trains from the south going to both destinations. There are a number from the east (Leeds, Sheffield, York) that do.

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