Armstrong Powerhouse Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack

[elkay]

Follow the instructions in the Manual! They work! All I can do here is repeat them, so just re-check the manual

Thank you I have worked out what the problem was.
Thank you for taking the time out to reply, though the tone of your reply is one of the reasons i very rarely post on these forums.

Thank you once again.

[gptech]

Thank you I have worked out what the problem was.

...and that's the kind of response that leads to fewer and fewer people being willing to offer help and advice. What was the problem cured by? if you've had a problem others may too, so your answer may help them.

If Chris had copied and pasted the instructions for you wouldn't that look a little condescending?.... or did you really expect him (or anybody) to re-write the manual just for you?
If you'd wrote along the lines of "I can set the lights etc up, get thee damn thing moving but there seems to be no power at all and it won't go above 2mph" then you might have got a more specific response; "it won't move" isn't really enough for anybody to work out just what you've done, and haven't done, so reading the instructions again is the best advice you'd get.

[elkay]

.and that's the kind of response that leads to fewer and fewer people being willing to offer help and advice. What was the problem cured by? if you've had a problem others may too, so your answer may help them.

If Chris had copied and pasted the instructions for you wouldn't that look a little condescending?.... or did you really expect him (or anybody) to re-write the manual just for you?
If you'd wrote along the lines of "I can set the lights etc up, get thee damn thing moving but there seems to be no power at all and it won't go above 2mph" then you might have got a more specific response; "it won't move" isn't really enough for anybody to work out just what you've done, and haven't done, so reading the instructions again is the best advice you'd get.

Sory but I was so annoyed by the by tone of the reply that I failed to explain further, and obviously the the tone of the reply to me was acceptable on the forum.

The reason I could not get the train to move was that the reverser needed be switched to the fourth position before engaging to drive the train forward.

silly me

Won't trouble you again.

[chrisonline]

To echo Gary's comment, I did say clearly "All I can do here is repeat them, so just re-check the manual". What did you want me to do or say?

If you have a problem and say no more than "it doesn't work", how can anyone help without asking a series of questions which simply relate back to what the manual instructions say?

Oh well . .

[x5pgr]

Moving this discussion on in a somewhat different direction although I have not had much time with this yet so far I am very impressed. Just had a quick thrash on the ECML and without doubt this is an excellent and much needed upgrade to the HST. Just one problem identified - the manual states that the keys 'I' and 'Shift I' will increase and decrease the instrument lights, which I assume basically means either on or off. However these keys seem to have no effect for me. Anyone any thoughts on this?

Regards

Peter

[gwrdevon]

Hi Peter

You're quite correct, the Instrument lights do not appear to work. At first I thought the problem might be the command was missing from the input mapper file (which it is). But on closer inspection there appears to be no entry for Instrument Lights in the respective engine .bin files either?

I have raised a support call with AP and await their reply.

Just to add my thoughts on this pack, which I am really enjoying. It adds so much to the ageing Class 43 that it's like a new loco. I love the ATP addition with speed limit display, this seems to work very well. Add working DRA, DVD (if you want it), much improved sounds on the old MTU pack (particularly braking), Tail Lights, Marker Lights, 4-way reverser with key, what's not to like?

Oh and just to add it works great with the RailDriver controller using the excellent interface by Chris (CobraOne).

Graham

[phat2003uk]

Apologies. The instrument lighting key command in the manual is a mistake and shall be fixed. Instrument lighting is as per the default.

Thank you for all of the kind words though!

[elkay]

Follow the instructions in the Manual! They work! All I can do here is repeat them, so just re-check the manual

If you had stated for example; The solution to to your problem is in the manual, because the upgrade works fine. Best read through it again, and let us know how you get on.

No exclamatiom marks, no impatient tone to the reply.

Anyway its all water under the bridge now.

[gwrdevon]

Apologies. The instrument lighting key command in the manual is a mistake and shall be fixed. Instrument lighting is as per the default.

Thank you for all of the kind words though!

Thanks for the prompt response and it's not an issue for me as I always drive with the instrument lights on in any case, which is the default here.

[rosschris10]

Hi Peter

You're quite correct, the Instrument lights do not appear to work. At first I thought the problem might be the command was missing from the input mapper file (which it is). But on closer inspection there appears to be no entry for Instrument Lights in the respective engine .bin files either?

I have raised a support call with AP and await their reply.

Just to add my thoughts on this pack, which I am really enjoying. It adds so much to the ageing Class 43 that it's like a new loco. I love the ATP addition with speed limit display, this seems to work very well. Add working DRA, DVD (if you want it), much improved sounds on the old MTU pack (particularly braking), Tail Lights, Marker Lights, 4-way reverser with key, what's not to like?

Oh and just to add it works great with the RailDriver controller using the excellent interface by Chris (CobraOne).

Graham

This is what I don't don't understand. The old MTU pack got upgraded to a pro mtu pack and boasted highly accurate sounds recorded from a real mtu class 43 and if you looked at reviews on that before this pack it was outstanding sounds perfect, much needed improvement. How if that was highly accurate according to reviews then I fail to see what the difference getting this pack does tothe sounds ??

[ashgray]

This is what I don't don't understand. The old MTU pack got upgraded to a pro mtu pack and boasted highly accurate sounds recorded from a real mtu class 43 and if you looked at reviews on that before this pack it was outstanding sounds perfect, much needed improvement. How if that was highly accurate according to reviews then I fail to see what the difference getting this pack does tothe sounds ??

Hi

Here's a clue: you don't see it - you hear it.

How do you not see the principle that the best efforts on a certain date a few years ago can be improved upon a few years later? That through better technology and understanding, it's possible to be more accurate now than it was then? if you really believe the old MTU pack to be better, then simply re-install it.
Ash

[rosschris10]

This is what I don't don't understand. The old MTU pack got upgraded to a pro mtu pack and boasted highly accurate sounds recorded from a real mtu class 43 and if you looked at reviews on that before this pack it was outstanding sounds perfect, much needed improvement. How if that was highly accurate according to reviews then I fail to see what the difference getting this pack does tothe sounds ??

Hi

Here's a clue: you don't see it - you hear it.

How do you not see the principle that the best efforts on a certain date a few years ago can be improved upon a few years later? That through better technology and understanding, it's possible to be more accurate now than it was then? if you really believe the old MTU pack to be better, then simply re-install it.
Ash

Don't have the old mtu pack I am going on the reviews people had left. Take a look at the product information for the other two pro sound packs at present. Recorded from real working units produced to the highest quality. So how can you improve something that is recorded already from a real engine. Train engines sounds don't change over time they keep the same engines. Sound exactly the same

Thank you for highlighting the fact the then trxhnology used can enhance the sound though but my point being is the train sounds are no different as the trains sound exactly the same in real life

[rosschris10]

Thank you for explaining it though much appreciated

[Merlin75]

The sales pitch for the pro pack was: If a sound pack is classed as being Pro, it means that most, if not all, of the sounds used have been recorded using state-of-the-art equipment at an especially organised recording session. This allows us to acquire the exact kind of sounds we require to create the best experience within the simulator.

Yet here we are with a new pack using the same sounds that were used with the MTU soundpack but tweaked to be better than pro. That kind of go's against this part of the sales pitch (the best experience within the simulator) because this pack is now saying that the pro pack is not the best you can get in the simulator and that if AP want to make more money he can do better than what he said was the best.

If this had new sounds from a new recording session with new equipment then it's only fair he makes money from them but these are the same sounds from the MTU pro pack and it just makes me think that perhaps he is not putting his best effort into certain packs because he could be leaving himself some room to tweak them and make them sound better at a later date when he wants to use them in a new pack. If it was just down to becoming better at mixing the sounds then why was these tweaked MTU sounds not added to the MTU pro pack but sold with a enhancement pack.

I can fully understand that AP will only be selling the enhancement pack from now on as it won't make sense to have two MTU packs but I am wondering will owners of the MTU pro pack be getting these tweaked MTU sounds ?

[phat2003uk]

Absolutely don't hold back on any pack and always do the best that is possible at that moment in time. Techniques, skill and access to sounds move on though. We also now have someone on board with incredible scripting skills.

There's a discount available for anyone with the old MTU Pro pack.