Atomic Systems

Those who are bemoaning the default HST may want to have a read of this thread, so as not to take it off-topic.

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=146687

New teaser video posted on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... permPage=1

"A sneak preview of the sounds and one of the many liveries featured in our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack"

I like!

thetrainfan wrote:New teaser video posted on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... permPage=1

"A sneak preview of the sounds and one of the many liveries featured in our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack"

I like!

all the other HST sound packs its hard to see what actually different. I am holding off buying this and waiting to see what Master Key simulations come up with on there brand new build HST that i am excited about

Nice.

rosschris10 wrote:

thetrainfan wrote:New teaser video posted on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... permPage=1

"A sneak preview of the sounds and one of the many liveries featured in our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack"

I like!

all the other HST sound packs its hard to see what actually different. I am holding off buying this and waiting to see what Master Key simulations come up with on there brand new build HST that i am excited about

I'd hope they all sound like HSTs. Hence why this is being sold as an enhancement pack. But of course you wouldn't be interested in the slightest at all.

A bunch of posts just got dumped. Please keep it polite and on-topic or the whole thread goes in the bin next time.

One main feature of our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack is ATP (Automatic Train Protection).
Following a number of incidents, this safety system was introduced on the Great Western Main Line (GWML) between London Paddington & Bristol. It monitors signals/speed limits and should the driver not respond correctly to them, intervenes with a brake application. Note that due to limitations of the simulator, we have not been able to simulate the signal monitoring part of the system.
Check out what we have managed to implement though, in the video below!

https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... 298121504/

Cool. Looking forward to the release.

rosschris10 wrote:sorry excuse me for having a opinion i forgot your not allowed one regarding this developer unless your praising everything they release

deltic009 wrote:It's not an opinion, and you're well noted for tired cliche style bashing of AP. Of course people are excited for this improvement over the default item plus reskins, objects and scripts to make it all come together as a step on from the default.People tolerate the default stuff until something better comes along.

Just because people buy something does not mean they like or are happy with it, it could be that the item is need to make scenarios realistic, I have the class 45 for example but don't like the sounds so just use as AI because it is need for scenarios, if a better sounds comes along then I will start driving it, the same was with the class 91, did not drive until it was enhanced.

thetrainfan wrote:One main feature of our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack is ATP (Automatic Train Protection).
Following a number of incidents, this safety system was introduced on the Great Western Main Line (GWML) between London Paddington & Bristol. It monitors signals/speed limits and should the driver not respond correctly to them, intervenes with a brake application. Note that due to limitations of the simulator, we have not been able to simulate the signal monitoring part of the system.
Check out what we have managed to implement though, in the video below!

https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... 298121504/

So the main point for the system is to protect the train from passing a signal??? So they are implementing the system into the "enhancement pack" but can't get it working correctly with the signals. So really it isn't not implemented then or am I missing something

Looks as though it will monitor speed limits. Pretty cool.

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rosschris10 wrote:So the main point for the system is to protect the train from passing a signal??? So they are implementing the system into the "enhancement pack" but can't get it working correctly with the signals. So really it isn't not implemented then or am I missing something

Well, if it "isn't not implemented", as you say, then it must be implemented!

Seriously though, a literal reading of thetrainfan's post is that they've implemented ATP in respect of speed limits - one of the two main points of the system.

Ash

ashgray wrote:

rosschris10 wrote:So the main point for the system is to protect the train from passing a signal??? So they are implementing the system into the "enhancement pack" but can't get it working correctly with the signals. So really it isn't not implemented then or am I missing something

Well, if it "isn't not implemented", as you say, then it must be implemented!

Seriously though, a literal reading of thetrainfan's post is that they've implemented ATP in respect of speed limits - one of the two main points of the system.

Ash

Ok but the MAIN safety reason of preventing the train passing a signal at danger is not implemented

I think another good thing is that it will work on all routes and wont need any tinkering with

rosschris10 wrote:

thetrainfan wrote:One main feature of our forthcoming Class 43 (MTU)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack is ATP (Automatic Train Protection).
Following a number of incidents, this safety system was introduced on the Great Western Main Line (GWML) between London Paddington & Bristol. It monitors signals/speed limits and should the driver not respond correctly to them, intervenes with a brake application. Note that due to limitations of the simulator, we have not been able to simulate the signal monitoring part of the system.
Check out what we have managed to implement though, in the video below!

https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... 298121504/

So the main point for the system is to protect the train from passing a signal??? So they are implementing the system into the "enhancement pack" but can't get it working correctly with the signals. So really it isn't not implemented then or am I missing something

The full explanation from AP not enough to stop you poking your neck out to whine about another of their products then?

It would require custom signal scripts which report back to the APT system, and then routes would require those signals installing in place of the standard ones - every single signal - in order to replicate the behaviour correctly. And all of this would put an additional load on the SIM and the users machine, an additional load that would be entirely irrelevant when not driving the route in an AP enhanced MTU HST - doesn't really sound like a worthwhile trade-off in either the performance hit, nor the massive amount of effort required in the first place.