vR BR 101 EL

[MaikG]

LZB end proccedure is simple. When the yellow ENDE lamp comes up you need to press PZB FREI once to confirm it. Then the lamp lits up permanentely. At least after 1700m, or on a LZB exit point marked on the route (not visible, most times at the next siganl) the LZB turns off and PZB comes back and active directly. So if LZB turns off shortly before a active 1000hz magnet you need to press Wachsam at the same time the PZB comes back. A bit tricky but in TS not that often.

[jstange]

One thing that I just discovered going through the German forum - the IC version includes two more loco repaints:

DB BR101 Natur Repaint
DB BR101 Stadtwerke Repaint

while the ICE and MET don't have them. And they really seem to be slightly different types of locos in those packages as Maik said.

[jstange]

LZB end proccedure is simple. When the yellow ENDE lamp comes up you need to press PZB FREI once to confirm it. Then the lamp lits up permanentely. At least after 1700m, or on a LZB exit point marked on the route (not visible, most times at the next siganl) the LZB turns off and PZB comes back and active directly. So if LZB turns off shortly before a active 1000hz magnet you need to press Wachsam at the same time the PZB comes back. A bit tricky but in TS not that often.

Yes, thanks, Maik. Would be great if your manuals could finally include that information

[adam3544]

Once again, I would like to know the proper procedure of switching PZB/LZB off when yellow "Ende" lamp comings on.

Adam

Once the Ende appears (when LZB ends and you change to PZB) you must confirm it with a PZB Frei (End key).

Thank you.
Only PZB Frei or any additional procedure ?

[tnleeuw01]

One thing that I just discovered going through the German forum - the IC version includes two more loco repaints:

DB BR101 Natur Repaint
DB BR101 Stadtwerke Repaint

while the ICE and MET don't have them. And they really seem to be slightly different types of locos in those packages as Maik said.

I saw that too while comparing the product descriptions on the vR website

The ICE version comes with a whole set of coaches though, from that specific consist, with pass views, also a pass view in the driving trailer. The MET version presumably too but I didn't specifically check the product description on that one

--Tim

[MaikG]

Thank you.
Only PZB Frei or any additional procedure ?

If you have AFB active and running then the AFB goes into a pasue mode right after the LZB ends actually and you need to set the cruise control speed selection lever to 0 and back to your desired speed. That will prevent the AFB from doing weired stuff on LZB END proccedures.

[adam3544]

Thank you.
Only PZB Frei or any additional procedure ?

If you have AFB active and running then the AFB goes into a pasue mode right after the LZB ends actually and you need to set the cruise control speed selection lever to 0 and back to your desired speed. That will prevent the AFB from doing weired stuff on LZB END proccedures.

What do you mean by "AFB goes into a pasue mode " ?

[iceman2117]

hi, ...
AFB goes into a pasue mode " ?

AFB goes into a Pause mode " ?

g'ice

[adam3544]

hi, ...
AFB goes into a pasue mode " ?

AFB goes into a Pause mode " ?

g'ice

Thanks.
Still don't understand what is AFB Pause Mode. This is the first time I see such condition.

[MaikG]

Thanks Ice, but wrong intentions with correcting my written words. That i can do by myself if i want to.

The AFB can be switched on and of by the real switch, but there is another on/off within the system itself. If you do a braking with a activated and running AFB, then the AFB stops running what is the pause mode. So the AFB then is activated but does not involving into the regulations. Call it al locking state. Adiitionally on LZB END the speed selection lever will be locked too like the regulator and need to be set in zero poostion once to unlock it and resume the AFB running. Thats it.

[adam3544]

Thanks Ice, but wrong intentions with correcting my written words. That i can do by myself if i want to.

The AFB can be switched on and of by the real switch, but there is another on/off within the system itself. If you do a braking with a activated and running AFB, then the AFB stops running what is the pause mode. So the AFB then is activated but does not involving into the regulations. Call it al locking state. Adiitionally on LZB END the speed selection lever will be locked too like the regulator and need to be set in zero poostion once to unlock it and resume the AFB running. Thats it.

Did I understood correctly: At the yellow Ende light I 1) press "PZB Frei" (End) key 2) Pressing Shift+Y to move AFB to zero position. 3) Press Y to set new speed.
Do I need to do additional action connected with de-activating LZB and PZB or don't touch them.
Thanks.

[MaikG]

Not correct.

-> LZB ENDE lits up
-> press PZB FREI
-> wait/run/brake whatever with or without AFB until LZB goes off
-> set regulator to 0 and let it there
-> set VSoll-Steller (speed lever ) to 0 --> set it back to your desired speed
-> set Regulator to your desired Z (tractive effort)
et voila you're on your run again ... or maybe not if you done something wrong

You will be sure that is nothing wrong when you do the first steps before LZB ends finally. So you run into the final end without running AFB and have the regulator in 0. Just try it, you cant destroy something, or maybe just your desk with knocking your head on it

[adam3544]

Not correct.

-> LZB ENDE lits up
-> press PZB FREI
-> wait/run/brake whatever with or without AFB until LZB goes off
-> set regulator to 0 and let it there
-> set VSoll-Steller (speed lever ) to 0 --> set it back to your desired speed
-> set Regulator to your desired Z (tractive effort)
et voila you're on your run again ... or maybe not if you done something wrong

You will be sure that is nothing wrong when you do the first steps before LZB ends finally. So you run into the final end without running AFB and have the regulator in 0. Just try it, you cant destroy something, or maybe just your desk with knocking your head on it

Thank you Maik for clarification. I'll print them in order to memorize them.
One quick question. How come when AFB had 60km/h preselected, the loco didn't responded correctly and builded up speed up to 67 km/h, then the speed control brake the train into correct speed. It happened when approaching Berlin HbB from Giesundbrunnen.

[MaikG]

Then you have set to much tractive effort. Just lower the regulator for lower speeds. The AFB only controls speed error and then uses the preselected TE in its full range. The maximum TE you want to spent to the AFB regulation need to be set by the driver itself. Light trains or light engine just need arount 20-100kn (means 5-25 on each motor (kn/fm)).

[tnleeuw01]

Then you have set to much tractive effort. Just lower the regulator for lower speeds. The AFB only controls speed error and then uses the preselected TE in its full range. The maximum TE you want to spent to the AFB regulation need to be set by the driver itself. Light trains or light engine just need arount 20-100kn (means 5-25 on each motor (kn/fm)).

Maik,

Thank you for the explanation on how AFB operates in general. I think that being aware how it works, I'll be able to use it much more effectively!

--Tim