DTG Bristol to Cardiff

[rkk01]

DTG - Please, please, please use the cl.175 / route release as an excellent reason to populate the SWML with some (all ) of these ATW reskinned models...

- 143 - we have the unit from Riviera... Just needs a splash of turquoise!
- 158 - a number of community ATW skins, but there are more recent 158s on Steam and workshop scenarios would benefit from a native DTG ATW 158
- 67 / mk3 DVT set... Would be awesome.
- 121... Gone, but not forgotten (and DTG don't have a 153)

One of my "criticisms" of the Western Mainlines rendition of Cardiff is that the signalling makes it difficult (for me, anyway) to replicate the constant coming and going of this busy station. There's always lots going on, and a large part of that is the procession of ATW units on one of the busiest commuter networks outside of London...

[08994]

http://train-simulator.com/the-south-wa ... -de-cymru/

Have a look at the comments section by DTG Train-sim-Steve
- Class 70, HST (FGW Green), ATW 175 included with route (no FGW units)
- Class 158/143 in ATW livery released as twin pack
- Possible future extensions to Carmarthen and Leominster (!)

[Mr395008]

I'm very surprised there is no FGW 158 being included with this or at least with the other pack, FGW 158s run on the line yet there is no official FGW 158.

[jimmyshand]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

[rkk01]

Class 158/143 in ATW livery released as twin pack
- Possible future extensions to Carmarthen

Wow - for once DTG strategy makes sense! (FGW 158 excepted..)

The route extensions sound tantalising - steam over Llanfihangel?
Shrewsbury would make more sense if they're thinking of going to Leominster
SWML all the way to Carmarthen - mouth watering...

Definate purchases from me, even with the JT route

[smartie38]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

having driven the scenario running all the way from Exeter to Paddington the jt route contains plenty of detail for me, I'll take a long route like western mainline over short routes any day of the week. This route I may get in one of the sales later this year but certainly won't touch it at full price.

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[almark]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

If it's anything like their last foray west (Riviera Lines) I wouldn't get too excited,take a look at Riviera in the 50's at Exminster,and Riviera Line's version of Exminster,and pay close attention to the bridge and how many gaps for track it has underneath....yep,that's attention to detail...

[jimmyshand]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

If it's anything like their last foray west (Riviera Lines) I wouldn't get too excited,take a look at Riviera in the 50's at Exminster,and Riviera Line's version of Exminster,and pay close attention to the bridge and how many gaps for track it has underneath....yep,that's attention to detail...

On the contrary I think DTG Riviera Line is superb. It's one of my favourite routes. Chock full of custom built new scenery that makes you feel like you are driving the area in question.
Heavy use of Kuju textures and buildings just makes a route feel like you're driving the old Oxford to Paddington or Newcastle to York but with different station names. I got this feeling when driving SECML. It didn't feel like Scotland as it features heavy use of default Kuju textures, track and scenery.
DTG actually did a sterling job of capturing the look and feel of South East Devon right down to the reddish soil colouring around Teignmouth and Dawlish.

[theorganist]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

If it's anything like their last foray west (Riviera Lines) I wouldn't get too excited,take a look at Riviera in the 50's at Exminster,and Riviera Line's version of Exminster,and pay close attention to the bridge and how many gaps for track it has underneath....yep,that's attention to detail...

I am sure most routes if not all you could find little issues like that, from all developers. Riviera 50's has become one of my favourite routes, for me it is well modelled and has plenty of atmosphere. I am looking forward to putting the new JT 7MT through her paces this week on the climb from Kingswear to Paignton.

I think the JT Western Lines route is well detailed for it's length and I wouldn't expect it to be as detailed as a 40 mile route. For me I like long and short routes so was very happy that weekend when Western Lines and Wherry Lines came out and the the North Somerset Railway as they all have different things to offer, however my wallet was complaining.

Peter

[almark]

Speaking as a route dev myself if I made a clanger by making a bridge that is/was wide enough for 4 tracks only wide enough for 2 tracks I'd feel like I'd disrespected the route itself....and don't even get me started on the 1960's style crossing gates. Riviera in the 50's is a great route and would be much harder to build as the amount of research is huge ,Rivera Lines,not so,google maps,cab rides and the fact that it's the most photographed route in Britain mean that there should really be no errors unless the sim/dev is unable to cater for the required assets. (Which I doubt applies to DTG).

[TransportSteve]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

Yes, but, it's called compromise, Jimmy, isn't it!! We cannot possibly forsee DTG doing a route of accurate customised detail, (hi-res resource hungry, don't forget) for any long route. Firstly, they only do modern content as it's less research and less manhours to build, they only have 3/4 months to do it in, you wouldn't get a layout the length of Great Western Mainlines done, even in 12 months, would you?

That article from Rail Simulator doesn't tell us anything new does it, it looks just like a copy and paste from Wikipedia, or, somewhere similar, about the history of the line, nothing about what DTG are including in their construction of said route, so, we still don't know what they are including, or, ignoring, probably until we get to see a Twitch preview, and it'll be too late to change things then if we don't like what we see, not a good omen.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[theorganist]

As much as DTG always make a pigs-ear of the sounds, I trust their route building skills to do this section of line justice. I'd rather have a short section like this but in accurate customised detail than have 300 miles of Western Lines in bare bones Kuju detail. Having pondered over several Youtube video's of JT's Western Lines over the weekend, I have concluded that it just doesn't contain enough detail for my taste.

Yes, but, it's called compromise, Jimmy, isn't it!! We cannot possibly forsee DTG doing a route of accurate customised detail, (hi-res resource hungry, don't forget) for any long route. Firstly, they only do modern content as it's less research and less manhours to build, they only have 3/4 months to do it in, you wouldn't get a layout the length of Great Western Mainlines done, even in 12 months, would you?

That article from Rail Simulator doesn't tell us anything new does it, it looks just like a copy and paste from Wikipedia, or, somewhere similar, about the history of the line, nothing about what DTG are including in their construction of said route, so, we still don't know what they are including, or, ignoring, probably until we get to see a Twitch preview, and it'll be too late to change things then if we don't like what we see, not a good omen.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Who built the Riviera 50's line then if it wasn't DTG?

I think DTG routes are well built and I don't think this one will be any different and no commercial route builder would undertake a highly detailed 300 mile route as it would take them ages and also be very resource hungry.

Peter

[gptech]

If DTG routes/assets are so bad, and you take the view that this is a long established fact, how come so many that are moaning have so many of these *bad* additions?....

....serious question, what drives them to buy something they know will cause disappointment?

[theorganist]

If DTG routes/assets are so bad, and you take the view that this is a long established fact, how come so many that are moaning have so many of these *bad* additions?....

....serious question, what drives them to buy something they know will cause disappointment?

Maybe they like to work themselves into a frenzy so they can come and complain?

I also find it a little unedifying when developers slate the work of other developers.

Peter

[jimmyshand]

If DTG routes/assets are so bad, and you take the view that this is a long established fact, how come so many that are moaning have so many of these *bad* additions?....

....serious question, what drives them to buy something they know will cause disappointment?

Maybe they like to work themselves into a frenzy so they can come and complain?

I also find it a little unedifying when developers slate the work of other developers.

Peter

It's not really that strange fella's... Developers are in competition with each other for customers and they're also craftsmen super proud of their work. It's to be expected that they'll have strong opinions of each other.

Equally, users of the sim are paying customers subject to the full range of quality and value from the ugliest to the best and so we too will have strong opinions. Rail enthusiasts are also incredibly passionate about the small details. Sounds for example being a major big deal that only another like minded individual would understand!