Return of the Backdated North London Line

[pctech]

If you want any more railway information, please don't hesitate to come and ask, may I suggest you spend some time researching subjects, like I have done this morning, before coming on to a public forum with mis-information and possibly slanderous comments, there is a code of conduct on here, you know.

I deal in facts not fiction. No slander. No misinformation. Facts, from the WTT:

6M48 0338 Hither Green-Dunstable
0O05 0620 Luton-Hither Green

0O93 1809 Clapham-Luton
6O93 1920 Dunstable-Northfleet

Passing times at Brent. It even lists the headcode "CJ" etc.

Hither Green men throughout. Fact. Ask anyone who was actually there.

You should do some research before coming on to a public forum with mis-information.

[gptech]

I know it comes with the Isle of White route,but where on earth can I find it?I've tried the DTG/Kuju and RSC folders and it's not in any of them.

Mike, when you find yourself in such situations use the 'Search' facility in Windows Explorer---navigate to your Railworks\Assets folder and in the little box to the right of the address bar type in Isle of Wight, or class 483, or IOW or 483 (or whatever bit of the name of the item you're trying to find makes some sort of sense) and Windows will chug through your files to find a match. It'll give you the path for the file(s) so you can get to them.

EDIT: If it's a reskin you're installing you may need a revised .bin file to correct any corruption in the cab view since the 'rain on windows' feature was introduced---older reskins don't have the necessaey section in the .bin and the cab view is corrupted.

[michaelhendle]

Thanks for the tip about windows search,I've written it down in my note book
Mike

[pctech]

it is impossible to get to Dunstable via Willesden without run-rounds} - First of all, then, Dunstable cement trains, or, any other train for the Bedford/Luton area, invariably ran from Clapham Jct on the West London Line through Willesden on the high level over Brent Curve to Cricklewood, where, in the olden days, they changed locos invariably to doubleheaded Class 25s and/or, Class 45 'Peaks',

Further to my last, there is another factual error here.

NO traffic from the Southern to the Midland Main line ran by the route you describe, it is impossible without reverals. Look at a map.

The route was ALWAYS via Kew, Acton Wells and Dudding Hill. And still is.

There were no other trains for the "Bedford/Luton" area other than the Dunstable cement. Other traffic either finished at Brent Midland or went forward with an engine change to Wellingborough or beyond (although rarely with twin class 25s).

[michaelhendle]

Hi
Just to say that this is beginning to be my favorite route,It's near to where I used to live,until I moved to Peterborough,it also goes near to where my Dad was born, just off the Caladonian Rd at Barnsbury.

My Grandparents lived in Hounslow andtheir house backed onto the Hounslow Loop,and there always freight trains going to and from Feltham Marshaling Yard and the North London Line,in those days they were steam hauled.

The other thing I like is the fact there are proper London Buses used on the route,and not the bog standard DTG one,just one thing missing and that's between Gunnersbury and Richmond,no aircraft flying into Heathrow,any one who lives in that area will know what I mean.1 every 2 minutes.

Mike

[davep]

Referring back to an earlier post of mine re a signalling problem near Camden Road,
and getting a derailment on a crossover even though the protecting signal was yellow.

Have just tried the scenario again (Freight to Stratford (with a class 37)).

Firstly, I stopped at the yellow signal, went into the 2D map and the points were showing correctly.
Took it very gingerly over said crossover, and then to my astonishment, I found another class 37 on
a coal train coming wrong line directly towards me. Result: A head-on collision.

Fortunately, I had saved the game at Camden Road, so I immediately fired the scenario back up
and re-started. This time I managed to get over the crossover and stopped at the red signal.
Looked at the 2D map for the coal train, and this time it stopped at its protecting signal - even though
it was showing green. But look at the screenie - whichever train moves, it will involve another head-on.

[davep]

...to continue.

As I couldn't TAB past the signal, I wondered if things might change if I moved closer to it.
It did!
As soon as I got within 0.02m of the red, the other train started and...

[CeeGee]

Referring back to an earlier post of mine re a signalling problem near Camden Road,
and getting a derailment on a crossover even though the protecting signal was yellow.

Have just tried the scenario again (Freight to Stratford (with a class 37)).

Firstly, I stopped at the yellow signal, went into the 2D map and the points were showing correctly.
Took it very gingerly over said crossover, and then to my astonishment, I found another class 37 on
a coal train coming wrong line directly towards me. Result: A head-on collision.

Fortunately, I had saved the game at Camden Road, so I immediately fired the scenario back up
and re-started. This time I managed to get over the crossover and stopped at the red signal.
Looked at the 2D map for the coal train, and this time it stopped at its protecting signal - even though
it was showing green. But look at the screenie - whichever train moves, it will involve another head-on.

(CG) Freight To Stratford scenario.

I have just run the scenario on v2 of the route with no problems. No Problem with the scenario, no problem with the route.

You should never make claims that a route is broken if you are just using a third party scenario. Test it with your own scenario, or one that came with the route. xguerra cannot be held responsible for anything that I, or anyone else attempt to do on his route.

As for the scenario: what time were you thinking of finishing your shift? What about the darts match? If you are just out for a slow leisurely run along a very busy line in the rush hour, anything can happen.

This is a straightforward case of "Driver Error"

[davep]

I wasn't blaming anybody, just saying what occurred.
I'll give it another run with 'full thrash', but even so, TS shouldn't
route a train onto a line where another train is standing.

I'll report back.

[gptech]

You should never make claims that a route is broken if you are just using a third party scenario

In all fairness, he didn't. He alluded to a signalling issue which may be the route or a scenario problem or (as you've said) even one of those user induced issues if he was running too late or early, so the only way forward is to find out exactly what Dave was doing, at what time.

[davep]

Okay. So this time, instead of poodling along, I gave it the welly.
Approaching Camden Road was getting a series of reds which changed to yellow as I approached,
so I couldn't really go any faster.

Like I said before, got a yellow at the Eastern end of Camden Road, passed it, saw the next
signal at red, got a clear AWS bell (???) and promptly derailed on the trailing crossover.

So please, CeeGee, tell me where I'm going wrong.

[phil17]

I too had a similar issue. First run, crept up to the red after Camden Station (single yellow through the station), got the derailment.

Second run, stopped at the end of Camden Station at a single yellow. The coal train used the crossover (protected by the signal I'd stopped at) and passed me with no issues. Camden Station signal didn't change from single yellow (the next signal was red and stayed that way.) Left it for 6 or so minutes then crept forward towards the red and derailed on the crossover again.

This is on the version of the line updated by xguerra last Saturday with the track fix at Camden Road, allowing "One For The Scrap Heap" to be completed. Is it possible that that fix has adversely affected this scenario?

[davep]

<Tongue in cheek> No Phil - that's a driver error </Tongue in cheek>

[CeeGee]

This is on the version of the line updated by xguerra last Saturday with the track fix at Camden Road, allowing "One For The Scrap Heap" to be completed. Is it possible that that fix has adversely affected this scenario?

I am not sure if I have that one - if it was released a couple of days after V2. I will re-download and check.

[gptech]

Dave, have you swapped out any stock in the scenario?
Just running it now and the class 37 bringing that imported coal that killed our mining industry ( come on, I'm from YORKSHIRE.... we feel strongly about it ) is passing me at Caledonian road on the Westbound track, so it would suggest that you're running a little slow. OK, the signalling should prevent the 2 services going nose to nose and allow one to clear the junction before allowing the other through; looking at the pathing in your picture it looks like it's done a bit of that for both trains.