DTG Gatwick Express Class 73

[31160]

Does anyone know the details of the 73/9 TOPS plate?....RA, ETH Index etc

Gary when you say 73/9 do you mean the Merseyrail ones or the newer ones

[gptech]

Does anyone know the details of the 73/9 TOPS plate?....RA, ETH Index etc

Gary when you say 73/9 do you mean the Merseyrail ones or the newer ones

Any and all of 'em really... as there are reskins of the loco appearing I'd just like to have as many little details as right as possible

For some it's sounds, me it's TOPS plates!!

[rfletcher72]

Bex

Got your number pal ,

[31160]

Does anyone know the details of the 73/9 TOPS plate?....RA, ETH Index etc

Gary when you say 73/9 do you mean the Merseyrail ones or the newer ones

Any and all of 'em really... as there are reskins of the loco appearing I'd just like to have as many little details as right as possible

For some it's sounds, me it's TOPS plates!!

well I don't know about the newbies but the Yellow ones were
weight tonnes 76
brake force tonnes 31
ETH index 66
Ra 6
Max speed 80

[faedundee2]

The re-engineered ones are as follows:

Class 73/9 Caledonian Sleeper Spec.

Weight tonnes 76.5
Brake force tonnes 31
ETH index 70
RA 6
Max speed mph 90

Class 73/9 GBRF Spec.

Weight tonnes 76.5
Brake force tonnes 31
ETH index 38
RA 6
Max speed mph 90

I'll keep looking for a good photo of the Network Rail 73/9's to get their info as they will be a lot different to the GB and CS ones...

[31160]

well I don't know about the newbies but the Yellow ones were
weight tonnes 76
brake force tonnes 31
ETH index 66
Ra 6
Max speed 80[/quote]

Just to clarify I mean the Mersyrail Yellow ones not the Network rail yellow ones

[749006]

In the \Class73Pack01\Audio\RailVehicles\Electro-Diesel\Class73\Exterior\Sounds\TractionBlowers folder
I have renamed the DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav to DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav.old to see if that would remove the sound but no luck.

Peter, if you've renamed a file that you've extracted from the .ap, the game will then revert back to using the one inside the .ap archive. Only extracted files of exactly the same name, in exactly the same directory structure override those in the archive.

The solution was to place three text files in the same folder called DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav (plus 02 & 03) which the system does not read and the motor blowers are now quiet.

Peter

[chrisonline]

In the \Class73Pack01\Audio\RailVehicles\Electro-Diesel\Class73\Exterior\Sounds\TractionBlowers folder
I have renamed the DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav to DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav.old to see if that would remove the sound but no luck.

Peter, if you've renamed a file that you've extracted from the .ap, the game will then revert back to using the one inside the .ap archive. Only extracted files of exactly the same name, in exactly the same directory structure override those in the archive.

The solution was to place three text files in the same folder called DTGClass73TractionBlower01.dav (plus 02 & 03) which the system does not read and the motor blowers are now quiet.

Peter

Not sure why you would want to do this, as it kills all blower sounds, while the guys who have actually driven these locos confirm, if I understand them correctly, say that the blower sounds are good inside (except that they should come on immediately rather than being delayed when pulling away), and should be quieter (but still there) on the outside

[gptech]

Peter, the game does read them; you've effectively created a .dav file that is silent. Are these files 0 bytes in size?
If so, that could lead to other issues so a better solution could possibly be to edit the *real* .dav files (convert to .wav--there's a tool in the UKTS file library--reduce the volume and convert back to .dav) so the game finds what it should.

[749006]

Not sure why you would want to do this, as it kills all blower sounds, while the guys who have actually driven these locos confirm, if I understand them correctly, say that the blower sounds are good inside (except that they should come on immediately rather than being delayed when pulling away), and should be quieter (but still there) on the outside

For me the sound of the blowers is too noisy in cab and I don't understand why they should be quieter on the outside.
When I used to be a Guard on AC Electrics - not the same as a 73 but - the roar of the blowers was a lot louder on the outside then in the cab and the Class 73 should be the same.

Peter, the game does read them; you've effectively created a .dav file that is silent. Are these files 0 bytes in size?
If so, that could lead to other issues so a better solution could possibly be to edit the *real* .dav files (convert to .wav--there's a tool in the UKTS file library--reduce the volume and convert back to .dav) so the game finds what it should.

Yes, I have and it will do for me until a better solution is found. I have the Dav decoder to extract the files in to .wav but I don't know how to reduce the volume and convert it back.
I can live with this temp fix until a better patch is made and I can now hear the AWS horn properly

I also did a couple of speed runs with the set and it will reach 90.7 mph on level track.
Also as was pointed out earlier if you wait for the R to go out before hitting WF it does not trip so having shut off and reapplied power wait in PAR for the R to disappear.
It would be nicer if the Electric handle operated the correct way.

Peter

[chrisonline]

Not sure why you would want to do this, as it kills all blower sounds, while the guys who have actually driven these locos confirm, if I understand them correctly, say that the blower sounds are good inside (except that they should come on immediately rather than being delayed when pulling away), and should be quieter (but still there) on the outside

For me the sound of the blowers is too noisy in cab and I don't understand why they should be quieter on the outside.
Peter

Well, the comments are earlier in this thread. I think the gist was that the blowers are right behind the bulwark and poorly insulated from the cab - they certainly agreed that they were NOT too loud. But outside, the noise of the engine tended to drown out the blower sound so they were less noticeable. I can't comment from personal experience, I am just repeating what actual drivers said. Check a few pages back

Chris

[749006]

Not sure why you would want to do this, as it kills all blower sounds, while the guys who have actually driven these locos confirm, if I understand them correctly, say that the blower sounds are good inside (except that they should come on immediately rather than being delayed when pulling away), and should be quieter (but still there) on the outside

For me the sound of the blowers is too noisy in cab and I don't understand why they should be quieter on the outside.
Peter

Well, the comments are earlier in this thread. I think the gist was that the blowers are right behind the bulwark and poorly insulated from the cab - they certainly agreed that they were NOT too loud. But outside, the noise of the engine tended to drown out the blower sound so they were less noticeable. I can't comment from personal experience, I am just repeating what actual drivers said. Check a few pages back

Chris

How does the "the noise of the engine" on an Electric loco drown out the noise of the blowers? And AFAIK there is only one person here who has actually driven one of these locos in real life.

[chrisonline]

Why are you being so argumentative?

I am just relaying previous comments; and expressing the opinion that by killing the blower sounds all together is neither correct nor desirable (IMHO).

You do as you please. And ignore anyone who tries to help with constructive comments

[gptech]

Why are you being so argumentative?

I've taken him under my wing Chris, made him an honorary Yorkshireman...

Being slightly more helpful; Peter, you've silenced the blowers because that suits you; that's fine if that's what you want to do and disregarding the fact that it would seem to be inaccurate you've done it in a slightly *dangerous* way (for want of a better word, it could cause no bother at all but the potential is high) and it is pleasing to see you actually do something instead of just complaining.
We have a great deal of freedom when we wish to customise things in the game, but can only do so safely if we work within the framework the game sets out. The game will load a .dav file for the blowers, in your case it finds a file that claims to be a .dav but really isn't. If you get the day when the game is too being an honorary Yorkshireman you'll have a conflict---and the game will win; it'll take it's bat and ball home.
Far better to let the game find an appropriately edited file of the right format, then it carries on without a qualm.
You have the .dav decoder to convert to .wav, sound editing software is plentiful--if you have Nero Burning ROM installed (comes bundled with many PCs) that has a pretty good editor; if not google along the lines of ".wav editor for Win7"
Reduce the volume to suit---and you may find that just lowering it a touch gives you the prototypical sounds without being too hard on the ear, and convert back to .dav with the .dav decoder---Yes, it works in reverse even though the labels on the fields don't reflect that. I'm sure it's mentioned in the ReadMe or the comments about it.

That's just one way of doing it; I haven't looked but you may be able to edit how the sound is played in the sounds proxyxml file---changing the attenuation to increase the amount of fade over a set distance for example, but that's definitely more complicated than just a straight edit of the .dav itself.

[749006]

Why are you being so argumentative?

I am just relaying previous comments; and expressing the opinion that by killing the blower sounds all together is neither correct nor desirable (IMHO).

You do as you please. And ignore anyone who tries to help with constructive comments

Chris - I simply asked a question and I did not realise that by not agreeing with you it was an argument

Gary - Thanks for the advice on how to change the .dav file - I was not aware I could change it back with the Dav Decoder.
I have a suitable program which might do the same job but I'm happy the way it works for now.

Peter