DTG Gatwick Express Class 73

[gptech]

Andy, if I was having a go at you you'd be in no doubt about it. Admittedly there's been very little bickering, but when it gets to questioning each others professional competence it's getting close to being a locked thread---which nobody wants as in the main together we're making progress. Up until the last few posts any discussion has been about how folk think it works, nobody had given an authoritative explanation.

"we" was used to encompass all of us interested in ending up with both variants actually working as they should----or at least as close as we/they/I/ you/ he can get it.

[brummie]

I gotta be fair I haven't got it yet but this seams v difficult to drive reading all the comments

Hello,

I suppose it might be a bit off putting having read the comments posted by members here but it's not too difficult at all. Have to admit when I first ran the Class 73 I tripped the emergency penalty brake about 4 times and ended up with about 64 career points Lol. (That was after reading the manual) I then soon got the hang of it and now find it quite easy. You can download the manual for the Class 73 here.

http://train-simulator.com/shop/br-clas ... co-add-on/

If you do get it just take your time and you will soon be ok with it.

[73cheavyhaul]

Ok....... IRL NEITHER controller will start the diesel engine

Ta very much, that being the case we can forget about struggling to get the engine to start with a throttle movement---if it's prototypical to have to start the engine via the switch(es) and the auto throttle thingy just sets the appropriate mode to be active that's just about what we have....and more importantly about as far as we can get!

Whether going to weak field too early and getting an emergency brake application is right or wrong doesn't come into it (yet) though I suspect that's controlled by scripting rather than values in the .bin file. For now lwts just accept that the model is set up to do that, and work with/round/alongside that.

Does anybody know the *correct* numbers for the 488/2 and 488/3 coaching rakes---might as well knock the easy ones off the 'to do list' first.

You could lift the shoes with the bottom controller - as soon as it clunked into ON the shoes automatically came up......... on the desk was a Shoe UP button by the horn for using Aux Power......... Also they have missed the released button on the top controller for use between Notch Up & Series...... was a pig when driving from the 2nd mans side, having to lean across and clump the the button.......... Re Weak field & brakes........... Why DTG did that I do not know and never happened IRL mate, so unless someone can rewrite the script to remove that fake command, we're stuck with it.

Sorry cant help with the stock numbers, wasnt on GatEx itself (BUT before privatisation we got the /2 on the VSOE)

[749006]

Coach numbers........edit the .dcsv file to assign more accurate numbers/prefixes.

Yes I could edit the .dscv files if I had the time and knowledge on how to do it.

[749006]

I gotta be fair I haven't got it yet but this seams v difficult to drive reading all the comments

Hello,

I suppose it might be a bit off putting having read the comments posted by members here but it's not too difficult at all. Have to admit when I first ran the Class 73 I tripped the emergency penalty brake about 4 times and ended up with about 64 career points Lol. (That was after reading the manual) I then soon got the hang of it and now find it quite easy. You can download the manual for the Class 73 here.

http://train-simulator.com/shop/br-clas ... co-add-on/

If you do get it just take your time and you will soon be ok with it.

Agreed we could download the manual or read the one which is installed with the DLC

[749006]

BUT . . here's a better solution . . .

Change those -1 settings to 0

So . . .

<ControlName d:type="cDeltaString">Startup</ControlName>
<DefaultValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="0000000000000000" d:precision="string">0</DefaultValue>
<MinimumValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000000000F0BF" d:precision="string">-1</MinimumValue>
<MaximumValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000000000F03F" d:precision="string">1</MaximumValue>

and

<ControlName d:type="cDeltaString">VirtualStartup</ControlName>
<DefaultValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="0000000000000000" d:precision="string">0</DefaultValue>
<MinimumValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000000000F0BF" d:precision="string">-1</MinimumValue>
<MaximumValue d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000000000F03F" d:precision="string">1</MaximumValue>


The result is that you can switch from electric to diesel WITHOUT the extra step (and delay) of using the "start" switch or pressing Z. And you can switch back and forth after that

I rather hoped it would also work on the "start in diesel" mode but sadly it doesn't - so you still can't switch into electric having started in diesel.

But unless and until someone comes up with a fix for that, we have a solution here . . . always start in electric mode. If you need diesel immediately you can immediately switch and switch back and forth after that at will

I haven't found any side-effects yet, but maybe someone will do so . . .

Chris

I like this idea and it's not too difficult for me to change - +1 Chris

Peter

[gptech]

Coach numbers........edit the .dcsv file to assign more accurate numbers/prefixes.

Yes I could edit the .dscv files if I had the time and knowledge on how to do it.

Time is what most (AKA we) are short of; if you don't have the knowledge just ask, even do the legwork and source some accurate numbers and somebody would either teach you or do it for you.

Peter....the edit you like has since been found not to work-----though it's essentially the one that does if -1 is used instead of 0.

[749006]

Coach numbers........edit the .dcsv file to assign more accurate numbers/prefixes.

Yes I could edit the .dscv files if I had the time and knowledge on how to do it.

Time is what most (AKA we) are short of; if you don't have the knowledge just ask, even do the legwork and source some accurate numbers and somebody would either teach you or do it for you.

this website has more info about the Coach numbers
http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class488_1.html
The TSO coaches all have different designations depending on if they have Handbrakes or not but they were numbered 72600-72647 and 72700-72718.
The TFOs were re-numbered 72500-72509
This page has info on the GLV 489
http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class489_1.html

And the text "New 1963 type control desks were fitted to the cabs in order to provide remote control over the electro-diesel's (EDL) engine starting and pick up raising mechanisms"
So the driver could control the 73's change-over from the GLV.

Peter

[73cheavyhaul]

And the text "New 1963 type control desks were fitted to the cabs in order to provide remote control over the electro-diesel's (EDL) engine starting and pick up raising mechanisms"
So the driver could control the 73's change-over from the GLV.

Peter

Via the Westode electrical control system - Aux Power (Top controller on the ED)

[driverden]

Now I hadn't realised the GLV is powered so in effect you have two independent driveable units in the pack. I think that makes it good value for money. I'm not sure how the GLV could be utilised but its something else to experiment with.

[xguerra]

Now I hadn't realised the GLV is powered so in effect you have two independent driveable units in the pack. I think that makes it good value for money. I'm not sure how the GLV could be utilised but its something else to experiment with.

If you ignore the fact that it has only one cab instead of two, you could pretend it was an MLV.
(I acknowledge that there are many other significant differences between an MLV and GLV).

[47522]

Now I hadn't realised the GLV is powered so in effect you have two independent driveable units in the pack. I think that makes it good value for money. I'm not sure how the GLV could be utilised but its something else to experiment with.

If you ignore the fact that it has only one cab instead of two, you could pretend it was an MLV.
(I acknowledge that there are many other significant differences between an MLV and GLV).

http://www.kentrail.org.uk/class_489_3.html

2006 saw NR acquire 4 GLV's for de-icer trailers.

[749006]

I posted a comment on the Engine Driver webpage about the Class 73 and it showed awaiting moderation and now it appears to have gone.
They don't like criticism

Peter

[73cheavyhaul]

I posted a comment on the Engine Driver webpage about the Class 73 and it showed awaiting moderation and now it appears to have gone.
They don't like criticism

Peter

No surprise there Peter.......... so many people willing to help so many to ignore

[31160]

Anybody worked out a fix for the number blinds yet