AP Anounce Wherry Lines

[steveen]

Anyone had an issue with the second activity? It's the test run from Great Yarmouth - Lowestoft. Everything is fine until I get to Reedham. The signal you have to wait at for the 153 to pass never goes green. I have to tab past it to get into the station. Once in the station I'm confused as when you are meant to leave. First it says 12:53, then you get a message saying 12:45, and finally I got another message (It popped up as I was reading the second one) saying go when ready. for the rest of the scenario I was having to tab past signals until I pulled into Lowestoft and got derailed at the points into platform 2.

I'm sure I must be doing something wrong.

Aside from that little hick up it's a fantastic route.

[Merlin75]

It's ok saying if you want detail you must pay for it. But the point some people are trying to make is if you charge top dollar for your route then it should work out of the box on it's own without needing routes from a rival. If this did not need other DLC routes to run then I'll say it's price is fair. But I can't say that about a route that needs other routes to run for this price. I wonder if the people that are happy about what AP have done here would be happy if DTG did the same. I can understand needing other stock as DLC to run scenarios as that is pretty much always the case.

[ashgray]

Hmmm - contrary opinion on price coming up.
Looking at what has come with the route and having spent some time on two of the scenarios this morning my opinion is that Richard could have justified charging far more than £29.99.
Rod

But, Rod, we have already had to fork out for 4 items of DLC which we were advised would be required to run this route fluently, which I personally completely disagree with, as it isn't usual policy to request folks to obtain DLC to run even more DLC, so, after acquiring £52 in route content, in Steam Sales, mind you, not full cost price which would have been £100, I now have to fork out another £30, so, in essence, this route has cost me a minimum £82, and could have been a possible £130, and to say folks think that is reasonable, possibly even justifiable, leaves me absolutely speechless.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Sorry Steve but I just can't figure how you calculate that the Wherry Route has cost you a minimum of £82. If you spent £52 on four other routes, as you say, then the £82 is surely split five ways between Wherry and whatever other four items you bought, = an average of £16.64 each...

Ash

[august1929]

Niche product for the connoisseur so to speak

That probably nails it in other ways as well - Richard would possibly not, even at a lower price, reach the sales level of your average DTG offering. Some return is due for the hard work undertaken.

Disagree that paying "top dollar" should come with no other requirements - that is entirely up to Richard - constructed in a manner and using assets that he thinks appropriate. As far as I can see there is no need for Richard to take anyone's thoughts or desires into consideration.

He offers it for sale, that is all.

If DTG did the same my choice would be whether I needed the route sufficiently to buy what else was required. I have done this with fine looking freeware routes where the requirements are just too much - plenty of other routes to run in any case, and not enough time to spend on them.

Rod

[rosschris10]

So, we have grumblings already about the price....

I look at it this way...

You can go to a well known supermarket and buy a can of cheap beer....or you could buy a bottle of expensive 'Craft' beer.

Upon dinking these, you would 'probably' notice a difference - the Craft beer would have been made with passion and attention to detail you would expect from a small independent establishment, whereas the cheep beer is mass produced, without using quality ingredients, and most likely will have no taste.

In my view, some on the stuff DTG have launched recently have been similar to cheep beer. Mr Armstrong, and his 'merry' men, then come along with a gorgeous concoction that has whetted my taste buds.

I'm now off to spend my £29.99 on something that has totally, and utterly, raised the bar.

Richard, I hold aloft my Craft beer, and say 'Cheers'!

Gary (hic!)

Funny you mention about grumblings about the pride your not so quick to post such a positive comment about the price when dtg release a route it's normally the other way around

For 29.99 here your getting a branch line route (yes the level of detail might be good). A REWORKED cab of a old class 37 PRODUCED originally by dtg so your can't say it's a new loco and a sound pack (which is probably the 4.99 sound pack that will most likely get updated to a pro sound pack now the sounds are made).

Yet when dtg released the riviera line for 14.99 again more or less a branch line with double tracks and a brand new train for 14,99 you were all going up in the air

For double that price your getting a. Branch line. No thank you

[holzroller]

Ultimately it looks like Richard has used good assets from other sources in order to concentrate his resources into creating those that are not available or are not to an adequate standard. Personally I can see this route featuring in a lot of freeware requirements, if the signalling scripts can be made to work with existing routes, ie Riviera in the Fifties, Falmouth, Far north etc then it is almost worth it for that alone. Add in the modern dressed people, and the many custom assets and sounds and I think apart from being excellent in it's own right it will provide a rich resource for future projects.

EDIT; one thing to note, if you have used the Trainworks GEML update then some of the trees are replaced but you will need to add "CS_addon / HEKL" to the providers for the route. If you are not sure an XML has been made available for download here http://rail-sim.de/forum/index.php/Thre ... post376684 post 44

[rosschris10]

Just to add My little nugget, Transport steve you dont HAVE to buy it no body is making you or anyone else buy it, its personal choice, Luckily for me I had the requirements,but i did buy the ap/wagonz class 90 to run some of the scenarios, if i had, had to have bought another route that i did not have then i probably would not have bought it..................Today .
I really can't see the problem if you want the detail in these top range routes, then assets must be pooled in from far and wide.

Not true you could get a 3D modeller to create custom assets and that way you build your own catalogue so that customers do not need to buy other routes to use assets from. Exepcislly giving the cost of the route itself at 29,99.

[chrisonline]

DAMN YOU, AP. You charge £29.99 for your route and then SURPRISE transportsteve by telling him he needs other DLCs taking his spend to £82.

Yet he bought those DLCs in the sale, way before you released the Wherry Lines. Of course he didn't really want those extra DLC; he hasn't even clicked on them in the menu, let alone played any scenarios in them. He's not going to download any (freeware) scenarios from UKTS or Workshop for the GEML, WCMLN, WLOS, or Settle Carlisle, because he has no interest in them whatsoever. He just paid out the money for them in anticipation of your Wherry Lines (yes, that contradicts my first sentence saying you surprised him, but that's par for this discussion).

Yet, despite your price he still paid it. so that he could complain that he spent a total of £82 for your route.

Astonishing! About the level of hyperbole and double standards that the US Presidential Primaries over here are displaying every day.

Transportsteve, can you really say that with hand on heart and no insincere smile on your face?

Chris

[Silverstar46]

I have completed a couple of scenarios on this route and my summary would be astounding, this really is a superb package. The scenery detail is photo realistic and the custom assets like the swing bridges really add something special. This is three rural branch lines beautifully rendered and I really enjoyed every moment. The vastly improved class 37 was like a new loco with top notch detailing and features. The coaches have a detailed feel and as you'd expect realistic sounds. I would rate this as highly recommended. On the price front I would say that for the quality and attention to detail it is a fair price but I am lucky that I had all the DLC and am comfortable that the many hours of immersion are worth it for me. This hobby can be enjoyed for no cost after purchasing the base game with an astounding amount of freeware but I am happy to pay for additions like this. Well done to the developers.

[37180sirdyfed]

DAMN YOU, AP. You charge £29.99 for your route and then SURPRISE transportsteve by telling him he needs other DLCs taking his spend to £82.

Yet he bought those DLCs in the sale, way before you released the Wherry Lines. Of course he didn't really want those extra DLC; he hasn't even clicked on them in the menu, let alone played any scenarios in them. He's not going to download any (freeware) scenarios from UKTS or Workshop for the GEML, WCMLN, WLOS, or Settle Carlisle, because he has no interest in them whatsoever. He just paid out the money for them in anticipation of your Wherry Lines (yes, that contradicts my first sentence saying you surprised him, but that's par for this discussion).

Yet, despite your price he still paid it. so that he could complain that he spent a total of £82 for your route.

Astonishing! About the level of hyperbole and double standards that the US Presidential Primaries over here are displaying every day.

Transportsteve, can you really say that with hand on heart and no insincere smile on your face?


Chris

With due respect, it clearly stated on their website, the additional routes that would be required to run the 'wherry lines'.

[holzroller]

One small thing, and it is small. In the description in the first scenario it says that the 37's are in tandem. In railway speak this means both locos have a driver, I suspect that one driver two locomotives in multpile is what is actually meant.

[rededge]

Anyone had an issue with the second activity? It's the test run from Great Yarmouth - Lowestoft. Everything is fine until I get to Reedham. The signal you have to wait at for the 153 to pass never goes green. I have to tab past it to get into the station. Once in the station I'm confused as when you are meant to leave. First it says 12:53, then you get a message saying 12:45, and finally I got another message (It popped up as I was reading the second one) saying go when ready. for the rest of the scenario I was having to tab past signals until I pulled into Lowestoft and got derailed at the points into platform 2.

I'm sure I must be doing something wrong.

Aside from that little hick up it's a fantastic route.

Yes I had problems as well on this, mainly through my not paying attention and gawping at the scenery....

I can tell you you do not have to tab through any signals- keep your speed down (no time limits remember on this one) and use the scroll wheel on your mouse to look forward at the upcoming signal. There is a wait outside of Lowestoft for a 153 service to exit platform 2 so you can then enter.

[Juanillo99]

It's ok saying if you want detail you must pay for it. But the point some people are trying to make is if you charge top dollar for your route then it should work out of the box on it's own without needing routes from a rival. If this did not need other DLC routes to run then I'll say it's price is fair. But I can't say that about a route that needs other routes to run for this price. I wonder if the people that are happy about what AP have done here would be happy if DTG did the same. I can understand needing other stock as DLC to run scenarios as that is pretty much always the case.

Totally agree.

[skoda]

£30 , I'm sorry that's way too much for me to consider spending on a route !!

That amount will set a dangerous precedent , If DTG see enough users purchasing a route for that amount of money then it wont be long before DTG's new route prices start to climb !
It's been debated enough times on here already that DTG routes are getting shorter and shorter for the usual £24.99 price , At some stage they will want to raise the price to cover their own increasing costs .
Price rises are inevitable , 50p here a pound there , we've come to expect that but £5 above what is considered the norm , nope that's way too much ! Companies don't like to upset their customers with cost increases but if other similar companies start raising prices then its inevitable that others will follow suit , with the blame being passed onto the company who did it first , The so called Market rate !

As far as I can see from the route description on the AP site for £30 you get a route with custom content (DTG usual £19.99-£24.99) 2 updated Mk2 coaches , An upgrade pack for a separately purchased DLC loco (from a route costing £9.99) and a separate AI texture pack (also for separate DLC) . Add to that the fact you also need GEML , Isle of Wight , either Portsmouth , WCML north or Western lines of Scotland and the price for the route is way above that £30 quoted .
Folks complain about DTG routes on here all the time but at least for their price you are usually guaranteed at least one loco/unit to drive usually with additional stock plus a self contained (dependency wise) route .

As for me will I purchase it in the future .... Yes but only if the price was right in a future sale , Even if that takes 12 months or more to happen I'm quite happy to wait , I can live without the route .

Mark my words though we've now been pushed down a slippery slope with that price ! I just hope all those boasting on here now about how happy they are to pay £30 remember that in future when other companies inevitably follow suit !

[rosschris10]

DAMN YOU, AP. You charge £29.99 for your route and then SURPRISE transportsteve by telling him he needs other DLCs taking his spend to £82.

Yet he bought those DLCs in the sale, way before you released the Wherry Lines. Of course he didn't really want those extra DLC; he hasn't even clicked on them in the menu, let alone played any scenarios in them. He's not going to download any (freeware) scenarios from UKTS or Workshop for the GEML, WCMLN, WLOS, or Settle Carlisle, because he has no interest in them whatsoever. He just paid out the money for them in anticipation of your Wherry Lines (yes, that contradicts my first sentence saying you surprised him, but that's par for this discussion).

Yet, despite your price he still paid it. so that he could complain that he spent a total of £82 for your route.

Astonishing! About the level of hyperbole and double standards that the US Presidential Primaries over here are displaying every day.

Transportsteve, can you really say that with hand on heart and no insincere smile on your face?

Chris

That might be because AP did in actual fact post in there FB page the DLC you would need to run his route and to get them in the sales. Which was before AP released there route or announced it would be 29,99 or did you forget that part