DTG Streamlined Coronation "Duchess of Hamilton"

[xguerra]

Well I think almost everyone guessed correctly.

[deltic009]

And it looks lovely, goes to show that using the more modern shaders and modelling for more capable PC equipment really does make a difference - its night and day between this and the JT version which is no criticism

[Springer6]

And it looks lovely, goes to show that using the more modern shaders and modelling for more capable PC equipment really does make a difference - its night and day between this and the JT version which is no criticism

It does indeed look great. However the JT version has served very well and at least we have the original blue Coronation and the blue coaches from JT ( and a wartime black one), although I'm sure there will be repaints from either DTG or third parties who will sort this out.

It would be fantastic if DTG were to include the red articulated coach set ( like the "American Train" ) with this , but I very much doubt it.

[michaelhendle]

looking at all the pictures of it they all show the bog standard DTG Mk1's, it would be nice if they started doing some more realistic coaches,to go with their steam loco's,after all they have proved they can make period coaches,as they have made them for the Riviria 1950 route,or hope Gordon makes a proper set of coaches.

Mike

[deltic009]

looking at all the pictures of it they all show the bog standard DTG Mk1's, it would be nice if they started doing some more realistic coaches,to go with their steam loco's,after all they have proved they can make period coaches,as they have made them for the Riviria 1950 route,or hope Gordon makes a proper set of coaches.

Mike

This isn't coming with a route, are you suggesting that it would be more realistic to feature a loco running on a current mainline with carriages that actually would not be allowed to run on the national network? I don't see the realism myself.

[Springer6]

looking at all the pictures of it they all show the bog standard DTG Mk1's, it would be nice if they started doing some more realistic coaches,to go with their steam loco's,after all they have proved they can make period coaches,as they have made them for the Riviria 1950 route,or hope Gordon makes a proper set of coaches.

Mike

This isn't coming with a route, are you suggesting that it would be more realistic to feature a loco running on a current mainline with carriages that actually would not be allowed to run on the national network? I don't see the realism myself.

I suppose the realism would come if they were to imagine that DoH were to be given a main line ticket sometime in the future (unlikely )and then could start running in modern format on the modern routes.

I actually had great fun using the JT Coronation blue trains extensively on my "de electrified " version of WCMLN to which I added the "lost" stations and signal boxes where possible. Quite a challenge keeping to the 1930's timetable from my 1937 LMS booklet "The Track of The Coronation Scot" which was issued to passengers at the time. This was quite realistic.

[almark]

There were plans not so long back (18 months) to overhaul her,beginning around 2018 and to run her in current condition (she is gauged,she travelled to York by rail),but I'd suspect this has been shelved after the 4472 fiasco.

[Springer6]

There were plans not so long back (18 months) to overhaul her,beginning around 2018 and to run her in current condition (she is gauged,she travelled to York by rail),but I'd suspect this has been shelved after the 4472 fiasco.

I hope this plan can be put back on track. I would really love to see one of the big LMS streamliners under steam. From July 1937 until September 1939, the daily blue Coronation Scot "Up" and "Down" trains normally passed each other just north of Preston near Oxheys,Tulketh Brow at around 4:45 pm. My wife's late uncle, a Preston schoolboy at the time, remembered seeing these magnificent blue trains on his way home after school.

I've been told that the best place to photograph the Coronation Scots was just south of Preston near the Balshaw Lane bridge at Euxton. There you had time to change your camera angle for the "up" after photgraphing the "down" train.

[deltic009]

There were plans not so long back (18 months) to overhaul her,beginning around 2018 and to run her in current condition (she is gauged,she travelled to York by rail),but I'd suspect this has been shelved after the 4472 fiasco.

Along with many other smaller projects.

[almark]

There were plans not so long back (18 months) to overhaul her,beginning around 2018 and to run her in current condition (she is gauged,she travelled to York by rail),but I'd suspect this has been shelved after the 4472 fiasco.

Along with many other smaller projects.

Indeed

[shawster]

Hello everyone. This sure looks grand to say the least. Even though it's in development and there is no way of telling, I do already sense an upcoming problem.

Whilst the JustTrains model of the Princess Coronation is now somewhat outdated (still works fine though) their package came with period coaches and several names and numbers ect. This package was for £14.99. Now while this is more than the standard £11.99 that DTG seem to charge these days, their package included multiple locomotives, liveries and carriages.

DTG on the other hand, are more likely to just include one Locomotive and just use some recycled coaches. My main example of this is the "Duchess of Sutherland" DLC. Even though this was a wonderful addon (ignoring all of the braking issues of course) it only came with the one locomotive, in one livery with recycled coaches. While I appreciate the work that goes into these things, DTG really need to step up, especially compared with their contemporaries.

As always take care, S.

[deltic009]

All of those points are subjective, if DTG finances are looking how they want then they have no need to up their game as you put it. The carriages are another thing, they've based it on the current 6229, and if it were to go mainline it would need mk1s minimum, alternatively I'm not sure a single heritage railway could raise a full set to refurb, repaint and run to be authentic.

Providing one loco is up to the provider of the DLC, there may or may not be ways to expand the fleet for free (such as the Class 52 diesel which is produced as a licensed DLC of the sole preserved example), so all is not lost.

I'm a glass half full kind of person I suppose, and I'm just glad we'll be getting an updated and very impressive looking streamlined Duchess at all.

[shawster]

Yes I see where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to be overly negative and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just feel that when compared to other companies DTG do seem to be holding back. I just think that even if they put a few different nameplates on the locomotive, that would at least be better than receiving the one. S

[deltic009]

Yes I see where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to be overly negative and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just feel that when compared to other companies DTG do seem to be holding back. I just think that even if they put a few different nameplates on the locomotive, that would at least be better than receiving the one. S

Nobody is doubting that would be a better situation, but what they could do and what they should do etc are subjective.

[Springer6]

My understanding is that the Red and Gold streamliners generally ran with standard maroon LMS coaching stock. The Blue and Silver engines originally ran with special non articulated "Coronation Scot"coaches that carried the Blue and Silver theme. The Red and Gold engines only had Red and Gold themed articulated coaching stock( including a rear windowed "Club Car" )for some UK test runs and for the USA tour.

Therefore DTG could put DoH out with maroon LMS badged Mk 1s and be fairly authentic.