Mürzzuschlag to Gloggnitz - In development by DTG

[AndiS]

Is it just me or has the facebook page to which the first post link disappeared? It says "unavailable" to me. Latest post on https://www.facebook.com/railsimulator/ is dated October 29 now. I used the link with success before.

[michaelhendle]

Hi Andi,
I have clicked on that link you posted and it showed up the route ok
Mike

[AndiS]

Thanks, must be something funny that happens here. No problem actually as I rarely ever visit Facebook.

[tycoonkid9]

This looks like a very interesting offer from DTG, given the ES64U2 which I highly doubt will be a mildly updated version of the DTG MRCE ES64U2, with the new PZB and SIFA systems. I'm expecting recycled sounds for it. I don't know how people will use the HRQ Taurus on this line for some scenarios

[TransportSteve]

Is it just me or has the facebook page to which the first post link disappeared? It says "unavailable" to me. Latest post on https://www.facebook.com/railsimulator/ is dated October 29 now. I used the link with success before.

This page will show up if you don't have an account on Facebook, Andi.

You can set up an account, but, you need to input a cellphone number, lots to choose from on the internet, I tried to find David Cameron's, but, to no avail, I'll find something suitable soon.......

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[749006]

This looks like a very interesting offer from DTG, given the ES64U2 which I highly doubt will be a mildly updated version of the DTG MRCE ES64U2, with the new PZB and SIFA systems.

Why not the MRCE ES64U2 - they have already built the loco so it's a repaint.

I'm expecting recycled sounds for it.

Wow ! that's a surprise!

I don't know how people will use the HRQ Taurus on this line for some scenarios

In the same way you would use the HRQ Taurus in any scenario - you just won't be able to use them in the workshop.
Doesn't stop you downloading a Workshop Scenario and modifying it by swapping locos.

Peter

[749006]

Newer picture on Facebook
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 5966_o.jpg

Peter

[TransportSteve]

And an article in Engine Driver......

http://www.engine-driver.com/article/sh ... meringbahn

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[Springer6]

You beat me to it Peter.....

And that map is incorrect as the route goes from Mürzzuschlag all the way to Vienna.

And yesterday on the Railworks Austria site was released the latest version, BETA v0.31

Cheerz. Steve.

I have the last version of the freeware route and it is excellent for a beta, it seems to have disappeared or has been moved . Does anyone have a link for the latest version ?

[holzroller]

Last I heard the development had stopped because of this and the RSSLO versions coming. They are not too impressed over the water with what has been seen of the DTG route so far, or the RSSLO one come to that, might have been a better idea to have given RWA an input into this route to capture the true Austrian flavour. Ultimately if they get the track, signals and overhead right, then as long as the landscape is accurate the community will probably make an update. Unless of course the RWA route resumes, but that is probably a couple pof years from completion as envisaged.

[michaelhendle]

Well looking at the article on engine driver,DTG have at least proper research of this route,so it should be better than some of their older routes,and hopefully it should come with proper locomotives and stock.
Mike

[holzroller]

Problem is, only one of the development team went, so everybody else is relying on his perceptions and photographs, and like everybody else there are some things that will stand out to him and others that will pass him by. Photo's are ok up to a point, but whoever said photos don't lie was pretty wide of the mark. Would have been better to send a small team for a varied individual perspective, but of course that may not be financially viable. In the end we can hope that they manage a reasonable representation that the community can then upgrade if necessary. They really need to find local help with the various countries signalling systems. I suspect that if it is too far from the mark the RWA version may resurface, but time will tell. Ultimately I'm sure that they would get help from RWA if they asked.

[Aclet]

Hmm, I'm not sure there is so much need for gloom on this route, great they are moving into other countries it's what many of us have been asking for.
This line is wonderful railway, short but majestic.
As I read the blog Mr Lucas went on that trip and he has been with the software for over 10 years so I think he knows what he is looking at and what is important when it comes to the reference gathering, probably a lot more than any of us here.
If anything he will not be distracted by the bits that that are not important to the experience. Easy to get distracted and 4 days seems like a good amount of time to cover the area.

DTG make their interpretation of each route/location and as I see it they are the best and most diverse by far. Not sure anyone comes close to detail and bespoke models while keeping performance acceptable.
Even on the WCML which is a wonderful route is made much better by all the stations being modeled by RSC/DTG.

With regards to the signalling yes I hope they do speak to local people to get it as good as it can be in their software.

[holzroller]

The problem is that when DTG model routes from other countries it is the small things that are missing that contribute to the unique atmsophere of the route, and in some cases make prototypical operation impossible if they are missing or badly implemented. Somebody from outside the country concerned often doesn't notice it so much, but those in the country concerned do. Of course the larger errors are more noticeable to everybody. Personally I would say that DTG are generally at their best with UK routes, but they do have the resources to produce the needed assets easier than most others regardless of route modelled. Hagen Seigen V3 is an example of what can be done to accurately reproduce the feel of a German route. Koeln Koblenz V2 will be another when it is finished. As for research trips, they have been done before, but we still ended up with some pretty obvious mistakes. Nobody is perfect, which is why a small team of two or three would have maybe been better. But in the long run the route will be what it is, good or bad, probably a mix. Strange that you metion WCML because when it first was released a large number of people had trouble running it without crashes or if they were lucky slideshows in certain areas.

[Aclet]

Yes WCML is hungry on resources and number of assets used, my point is it was a route created by Keith Ross.
However, it is praised and rightly so as being a fabulous route.
Just like many non RSC/DTG routes the balance of detail and performance is often compromised (both good and bad) one way or the other.

I agree with you the route will be what it will be, mistakes, constraints and limitations are in all products and make them what they are.
With regards to V2/3 of any routes you mention it is a good thing that they make stuff that people want to evolve and extend, it makes our hobby so much more interesting.
I now have a large collection of routes now and can find many areas that can be improved on all of them, but I enjoy them greatly.

Research/reference trips I expect it is down to expense and resource, and they did what they can afford as with most things in life.