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Re: DTG Class 56

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If you're editing one file to make it exactly like another, surely copying the desired file is a lot quicker?
Just ensure it's named correctly so that the loco's .bin file is still pointing to a valid file.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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I quite agree with you gptech. Presumably that is all anybody needs to do. I always tend to make a mountain out of a mole hill when I do things. It looks to me that adjustments were made which weren't necessary regarding the different bin files and by me as well.
Go for it.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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In theory you don't have to copy files, just edit the RSC loco's .bin file to point to the "other one's'" Engine Simulation.bin, which would reference the *correct* dscv files directly. Whether this would mean you'd have to tick two Provider/Product pairing boxes to get it to work in a scenario I don't know.

Lots of ways to remove a cat's outer layer... :wink:
TransportSteve wrote:they didn't have 3250 hp for nothing, many MGR drivers I knew used to consider flying about light engine as and when the circumstances prevailed as being a perk of the job
The important words in there are "light engine". I suppose all that horse power was primarily to get heavy fright trains moving and up to freight speeds quickly, don't forget that rapid acceleration often makes us feel the top speed reached is faster than it actually is. Does anybody have any real performance data for the class, or better still any first hand experience of the beasties?
Moving back to the digital world; in the scenario talked about in this thread, if you leave the coaches behind at Brighton and 'open 'er up' you're soon at 65 MPH. Then it starts to tail off but I managed to get to 78.5mph up the 1:248(?) climb before the 90mph restriction.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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gptech wrote:If you're editing one file to make it exactly like another, surely copying the desired file is a lot quicker?
Just ensure it's named correctly so that the loco's .bin file is still pointing to a valid file.
Which is ok if you owned the previous version.

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Re: DTG Class 56

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When it is said "the old 56" - does that refer to ..shhh.. 'Voldemort's' 56?
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Re: DTG Class 56

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davep wrote:When it is said "the old 56" - does that refer to ..shhh.. 'Voldemort's' 56?
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Re: DTG Class 56

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749006 wrote:
gptech wrote:If you're editing one file to make it exactly like another, surely copying the desired file is a lot quicker?
Just ensure it's named correctly so that the loco's .bin file is still pointing to a valid file.
Which is ok if you owned the previous version.

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Just as you'd need the previous version in order to be able to copy the values from one to the other---whether that's by manually typing the figures in, or copying and pasting chunks of one over :o
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Re: DTG Class 56

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gptech wrote:
749006 wrote:
gptech wrote:If you're editing one file to make it exactly like another, surely copying the desired file is a lot quicker?
Just ensure it's named correctly so that the loco's .bin file is still pointing to a valid file.
Which is ok if you owned the previous version.

Peter
Just as you'd need the previous version in order to be able to copy the values from one to the other---whether that's by manually typing the figures in, or copying and pasting chunks of one over :o
It was why I had asked what had been changed to see if it was something I could do myself.

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Re: DTG Class 56

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Hopefully it might be something that Richard Armstrong address's with his '56' sound pack (to which i am really looking forward too!) :D

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Re: DTG Class 56

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Peter, unless somebody beats me to it I'll post the relevant sections of the files in here tomorrow-----can't do it now as I'm at work.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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Gary on an understanding of Peter's request plus the fact you are a busy person and since I already have the required information I considered it would be better all round if I put the files up, save you a job. Unfortunately I never thought I might have to do this so I have no idea how to add those boxes with endless data which appear in posts. I have spent sometime now trying to figure it out. But I also have other things to do. If you could point me in the right direction or take the info yourself to post on here. It might help us all.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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Hi Richard,

to put text in a box you need to 'wrap' the text within [ code] and [ /code], but without any spaces between the [ and the next character.

If you still have bother don't let it stop you getting on with stuff, a few hours of waiting isn't going to hurt.
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Re: DTG Class 56

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Hope this pans out have included file with no changes
Enginebin

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Tractive Effort versus Field Divert

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Tractive EffortvsSpeed

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TractiveEffortvsThrottle

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Richard

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Re: DTG Class 56

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Revised class_56_TractiveEffortVsThrottle.dcsv file:

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Re: DTG Class 56

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