Berlin - Leipzig

Rogge · Post by **Rogge** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:22 pm

holzroller wrote:...the various Ice & Talent from steam with numerous improvement patches available for free.

OT: Do you know if there are any patches aviable for the ICE3 that removes the blue-ish tint from the cab window?

holzroller · Post by **holzroller** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:09 pm

Take a look on Railsim.de there is at least one patch for the ICE3 there from what I recall, I think actually more than one. I'm sure that there was something relating specifically to this a while ago when the add-on was first released. By the way does everybody know how to get the anouncements to work?
Mart I have driven that scenario as far as Wittenberg without any major problems, at that point I had to ask control for virtual relief because it was 2 am. Did your crash happen before or after this point? At the moment I have adopted the old method of moving all my British Kuju rail vehicle folders into a temp folder as we used to have to do with earlier versions of TS to reduce the amount of unused Kuju assets being referenced, helps with several routes.

smarty2 · Post by **smarty2** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:52 pm

Hi Holz, no it fell over just after Bitterfeld, but as I say it isn't the sim crashing it's the graphics driver and it has happened ever since TS was upgraded! I have tried several different drivers too including the stable one. I've turned settings down and dropped DSR to 3x monitor resolution to no effect.

As for the Ansage I do not know why they aren't working, however looking into the download I see no sound files.
Nice repaint for the BR642 into the Leipziger Neuseen.
http://rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.php ... r-Neuseen/

ICE-T cab mod here: http://rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.php ... Cab-v-1-0/ And here: http://rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.php ... Ansichten/

More useful update packs here: http://rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.php ... datePacks/

holzroller · Post by **holzroller** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:46 pm

The ansage aren't working because they are only in de folders and if you aren't using German language they don't work, just rename the folders en or create en folders and copy across the contents. You will find them in the relevent scenario folders for the route. I have seen a few comments regarding TS2016 being less stable on pretty much all the TS forums I visit.

Rogge · Post by **Rogge** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:36 pm

After a couple of runs i get the feeling that the route was rushed out. QD´s that change from right track to left and then back to right track causing speed issues, LZB don´t even start if you go from Wittenberg to Leipzig, LZB behaves erraticly Wittenberg - Leipzig when starting from Berlin, LZB changes speed oddly when going from Leipzig > Wittenberg > Berlin.

I don´t know if LZB stuff is easy to fix, but it is easy to find issues if you just drive through the route. That´s all it takes, really. That´s why i find it odd that they release a route with such issues.

The Berlin - Wittenberg route had terrible issues with LZB but thanks to holzroller i got a link to the 1.26 update, so i have hope that Berlin - Leipzig will be fixed in the future as well.

smarty2 · Post by **smarty2** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:05 pm

Not had any issues with LZB from Berlin to Leipzig in the ICE2.

Rogge · Post by **Rogge** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:54 pm

smarty2 wrote:Not had any issues with LZB from Berlin to Leipzig in the ICE2.

I don´t know if it matters, but have you tried the ICE-T or the ICE3?

I have not tested the ICE2, but with the ICE-T and the ICE3 i get what appears to be random errors when driving Berlin to Leipzig: When i pass Wittenberg the LZB sometimes beeps and goes from 200 to 000. After a couple of seconds it goes back from 000 to 200. This happens several times during that trip. When i drove from Leipzig to Berlin today i had issues between Wittenberg and Berlin. The LZB beeps and goes from 200 to 160 to warn me that i soon need to brake. When i had slowed down from 200 to 160 the LZB went from 160 back to 200. No sign of a speed change in the HUD and the actual speed change lasted a couple of meters. Those issues are so annoying.

Scenarios are made by me, no AI traffic yet. Starting from Berlin Hbf, stopping at Wittenberg, continue to Leipzig. Or vice versa in the other scenario.

holzroller · Post by **holzroller** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:04 pm

IIRC the route author made a deliberate choice to avoid those two versions of the ICE, so not surprising that there may be problems. There is certainly an update planned hence the thread on railsim de. But I don't think it will include a fix for the runnel issue as it appears a game issue that is unfixable for some.

Rogge · Post by **Rogge** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:48 am

holzroller wrote:IIRC the route author made a deliberate choice to avoid those two versions of the ICE, so not surprising that there may be problems. There is certainly an update planned hence the thread on railsim de. But I don't think it will include a fix for the runnel issue as it appears a game issue that is unfixable for some.

I have duplicated a scenario and replaced the ICE3 with the ICE2 and will try later today and will report back.

The only thing mentioned in the manual for the route about the ICE´s is "...But the ICE T by DTG has this totally exaggerated tilting technology, which I didn't want virtual drivers to have to deal with.". There is not a word that says that the ICE3 and the ICE-T should be avoided because of LZB issues.

No matter what, i think it is odd and ironic to release a German payware route and ignoring issues with LZB in that particular route when other routes have no issues with the LZB in the ICE-T/ICE3, such as Berlin to Wittenberg (1.26) made by the same author. "Hey, use our German route but avoid German trains!"

I hope he/they will change their minds.

holzroller · Post by **holzroller** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:20 pm

Slight exageration, as far as I know those are the only two German trains with LZB issues on this route. I would suggest a post in the route thread on Railsim.de asking Jan about it, you are more likely to get an answer. There are also some who would say that there was still an LZB issue with 1.26 of the previous route. LZB on this route is provided by Railtraction, presumably as it is less of a fudge than the dtg one, or maybe there is imply not enough documentation about the dtg version, but of course that in turn may cause compatability issues. Personally I am not a fan of plastic ICE's, I much prefer a proper loco and coaches/wagons, but each to their own.

TransportSteve · Post by **TransportSteve** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:49 pm

But, apart from rolling stock problems, what is the actual route like, is it a smooth ride, superelevation, lots of freight yards and stations, etc, etc??

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Klaabu · Post by **Klaabu** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:30 pm

TransportSteve wrote:But, apart from rolling stock problems, what is the actual route like, is it a smooth ride, superelevation, lots of freight yards and stations, etc, etc?

IMO very nice route. Looks great, feels great ... visually. But technically You will encounter many problems. In Berlin Hauptbahnhof You'll find tunnel entry blocked by the land formation. In my own scenarios virtualRailroad's BR 120 and BR 112 do not recognise LZB block beginning command. Don't know what's wrong. There are some strange signals placed on mainline which require permission to pass (constantly yellow) - not realistic because You have to lower speed without reason (or PZB activates emergency brakes). Seems like wrong type of signals (yard approach type or something like that) placed on mainline. I hope developer will find solutions to problems. Route is pretty long and runs well on my computer (heavy gamers machine). Recommeneded!

749006 · Post by **749006** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:27 pm

People constantly have a go a DTG pointing out that there are experts in Europe who could help them build better routes with less errors.
So I wonder why there are so many bugs in these routes?

Peter

holzroller · Post by **holzroller** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:50 pm

Well, LZB is not really catered for in the game, so any attempt to reproduce it is a fudge, and we all know that there issues with the signalling whichever country you are talking about. Even the proffesionals sometimes have to resort to instructions to pass signals in scenarios for no readily explainable reason. But I haven't seen any reports of this issue on the German thread so far. The tunnel issue as mentioned before is also a game issue, depending on your set up, you may or may not be able to fix it yourself.This is not the only route to have this issue. So far I have seen no comments from anybody else having issues with LZB with VR loks, in fact I saw at least one post saying that the BR 120 worked flawlessly, so I wonder why Klaabu has issues. Perhaps Klaabu you should post on the German thread and see what response you get. Or maybe a complete re-install, just in case.

Rogge · Post by **Rogge** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:25 pm

Rogge wrote:I have duplicated a scenario and replaced the ICE3 with the ICE2 and will try later today and will report back.

Exactly the same issues when driving the ICE2, so that seems to rule out the ICE´s as the issue.

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