Dtg class 59dbs coming soon

[gptech]

....seemingly been refuted, has anyone reported the post?

As nobody (yet) has resorted to childlike name calling etc, is there any need to tell the teacher? Lets be sensible and have a reasoned argument (noun: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory) and keep it as such. (though on revisiting the thread I see more posts from jimmy that I'm sure weren't there earlier---perhaps now on moderated posting?)

Whether I think he is right or wrong, Jimmy's opinion on a yet to be released route is as valid as mine, yours or anyone else's

Yes, once again we're in agreement and I'll fight tooth and nail to defend anybody's right to have and express their opinion. However, jimmy's post wasn't expressed as such, but as fact and some may say in an inflammatory manner. It's not his opinion that's the real sticking point, but how it was written.

fails to mention the five steam loco's with custom sound sets

Ssssh...don't mention the seemingly dodgy couplings on the Pannier

(see?...I can be negative too)

A workshop third party revision of the Riviera Line is free and costs nothing. If you want the DTG revision you have to pay £29.99 to get the full version of TS2016. No thanks, poor show.

Buy TS2016 for around the 30 quid mark and even if the other included routes don't appeal you get a FREE 1950s version of The Riviera Line plus some stunning locos and rolling stock. That'll do for me, well done DTG!!

Right...anybody going to fill my half empty (full?) glass for me?

[michaelhendle]

In real life the 66's are reworked 59,also I think Riviera 1950 isn't just a reworked version of the modern route,after all it has the Brixham Branch and the Heathfield Branch,which I think you will aren't on the modern version.
Also it's one of my favourite routes now,I just hope DTG will either extend the 1950's version Northward towards Taunton or Southwards to Plymouth.
Mike

[gptech]

How did I miss this point earlier??.....

A workshop third party revision of the Riviera Line is free and costs nothing. If you want the DTG revision you have to pay £29.99 to get the full version of TS2016. No thanks, poor show.

Is a Workshop route really free?....don't you need to have purchased the DLC it references? Fine if you already have the base route, but what if the WS version also called for assets from a route you don't have?

[michaelhendle]

Hi
I have had a look on steam workshop,and there seem to be few fictional routes that don't need assets from another route,but the majority need at the minimum 2 or 3 payware routes,updated and backdated routes need the original route installed.

Which means they are not really free ware at all,my definition of free ware is some thing that doesn't need any pay ware items.
Mike

[atlasduff47]

Right...anybody going to fill my half empty (full?) glass for me?

Not only will I fill it for you Gary, I'll have one with you!

[davejc64]

DTG would indeed do well on the Apprentice!

Class 59 is basically little more than a class 66 reskin, minimal effort on their part. Coupled with another identikit London route. In a nutshell, a new product that is nothing more than a slight re-hash of what already exists. Minimal effort, maximum profit. Even more blatant was the Riviera 1950's route for TS2016. The existing Riviera just backwards engineered slightly.
Not fooling me though. I haven't bought a DTG product for a considerable period of time and I won't until they start putting some effort in, creating something genuinely new and unique and sorting out their sounds department.

Not quite.

If you compare the bodies of the Class 59/2 & 66 there are a number of detail differences, bogies for example, and the locos should have different power characteristics.

Peter

Yes but what it should be and what it will be are two different things as has been shown in the past, lets just wait and see would be the best option here.

[xguerra]

Cab picture. And yes the mis-spelling of "diesel" has been noted.

[rcetank]

Cab picture. And yes the mis-spelling of "diesel" has been noted.

Amazing! Thanks for the picture.
Hard to find much about the Class 59 on this post. Thought it had got the wrong tittle

[yyyyamst]

Sticking to the original subject, I think the Class 59 is quiet a good choice. As far as the comparison of a Class 59 and Class 66 the saying "Chalk and Cheese" certainly comes into play. Fortunately when DB drafted in Class 59s on the Liverpool Bulk Terminal to Fiddlers Ferry Coal services I had nearly a year hands on driving on the 59s. Apart from a cosmetic appearance outside the two machines handle and operate in a different manner. The start and shutdown sequence for starters is nothing like a 66. Hopefully this project will be worth the wait, but could be a future upgrade from Mr Armstrong required.
Cab shots look good so I am at least looking out for this when it appears.

[dean1986]

Sticking to the original subject, I think the Class 59 is quiet a good choice. As far as the comparison of a Class 59 and Class 66 the saying "Chalk and Cheese" certainly comes into play. Fortunately when DB drafted in Class 59s on the Liverpool Bulk Terminal to Fiddlers Ferry Coal services I had nearly a year hands on driving on the 59s. Apart from a cosmetic appearance outside the two machines handle and operate in a different manner. The start and shutdown sequence for starters is nothing like a 66. Hopefully this project will be worth the wait, but could be a future upgrade from Mr Armstrong required.
Cab shots look good so I am at least looking out for this when it appears.

How much more pulling power does a 59/0 have over a 59/2 please??

Dean

[yyyyamst]

Not certain how much of a gain the 59/2 has over a 59/0 without digging out my Drivers Manual. DB always called for a 59/2 for the Liverpool to Fiddlers services, so I never worked a Class 59/0.
59201 and 59203 were regular work horses in the North West. These were dragging 23 HTA sets out of Liverpool Docks which gave the same loadings as Class 60 haulage. Ultimately the high traction power demand for a Class 59 for 23 HTAs was too demanding on the machinery. Class 60s were best suited.

[vbomber]

Can anybody confirm if the 59/2 has a working Drivers vigilance device aka a Dead mans pedal, i tried to ask the question in the DTG Twitch stream but i got no reply, can any UKTS members who have purchased the 59/2 verify if it has one.

Many thanks in advance.

[749006]

Can anybody confirm if the 59/2 has a working Drivers vigilance device aka a Dead mans pedal, i tried to ask the question in the DTG Twitch stream but i got no reply, can any UKTS members who have purchased the 59/2 verify if it has one.

Many thanks in advance.

And if it does can you Isolate it!

Thanks

Peter

[deltic009]

Sticking to the original subject, I think the Class 59 is quiet a good choice. As far as the comparison of a Class 59 and Class 66 the saying "Chalk and Cheese" certainly comes into play. Fortunately when DB drafted in Class 59s on the Liverpool Bulk Terminal to Fiddlers Ferry Coal services I had nearly a year hands on driving on the 59s. Apart from a cosmetic appearance outside the two machines handle and operate in a different manner. The start and shutdown sequence for starters is nothing like a 66. Hopefully this project will be worth the wait, but could be a future upgrade from Mr Armstrong required.
Cab shots look good so I am at least looking out for this when it appears.

How much more pulling power does a 59/0 have over a 59/2 please??

Dean

It seems merely the slow speed control and higher top speed differentiated the 59/2

http://www.railway-centre.com/class-59.html

[dean1986]

Thanks