RSC Class 91 DSD

[Springer6]

Well done! I'll have a look at implementing this too.

After a bit more experimenting......I changed the overall "ActivationDistance" to 500 metres and the "DSD" sound "id 17159" "AttenuationStartDist" from 50 to 500metres and the "NoFurtherAttenuationDist" from 300 to 500 metres.

Also the "AWS Caution Start" "id 17103" and the "AWS Caution Loop" "id 17117", I changed as well to 500 for both of the above values.

Now the DSD warning and AWS warnings are audible outside the cabs ( just as loudly as when in the cab ), even when at the other end of the train and even in passenger view sitting in the Buffet Car !

Purists may not like this latter, but just doing the DSD bit does mean you can have a wander outside and around the train without having to keep pressing Q all the time.

I'm still to test if and how this affects AI traffic though.

[gptech]

Purists may not like this latter, but just doing the DSD bit does mean you can have a wander outside and around the train without having to keep pressing Q all the time.

Purists don't have to apply it though ....and it sure beats half a house brick holding the 'Q' key down.

I like driving in the 'helicopter' views, it's nice, particularly on a long run, to have a look at the work of the route builders, and very handy to swap to the outside of the rear of the train to watch other trains go by.

[TElsmore]

Well done! I'll have a look at implementing this too.

After a bit more experimenting......I changed the overall "ActivationDistance" to 500 metres and the "DSD" sound "id 17159" "AttenuationStartDist" from 50 to 500metres and the "NoFurtherAttenuationDist" from 300 to 500 metres.

Also the "AWS Caution Start" "id 17103" and the "AWS Caution Loop" "id 17117", I changed as well to 500 for both of the above values.

Now the DSD warning and AWS warnings are audible outside the cabs ( just as loudly as when in the cab ), even when at the other end of the train and even in passenger view sitting in the Buffet Car !

Purists may not like this latter, but just doing the DSD bit does mean you can have a wander outside and around the train without having to keep pressing Q all the time.

I'm still to test if and how this affects AI traffic though.

I've tried it this morning and it works a treat, so thank you very much! Although i'm finding that the AWS sounds are very quiet outside the train, if i am in number '3' view, i can't hear it at all, and i have changed all the values that you suggested. Is there any way to increase the AWS volume? Also, can anybody please tell me how to get rid of the hideous wiper sounds please!?

Cheers
Terrone.

[scorpion71]

Well done! I'll have a look at implementing this too.

After a bit more experimenting......I changed the overall "ActivationDistance" to 500 metres and the "DSD" sound "id 17159" "AttenuationStartDist" from 50 to 500metres and the "NoFurtherAttenuationDist" from 300 to 500 metres.

Also the "AWS Caution Start" "id 17103" and the "AWS Caution Loop" "id 17117", I changed as well to 500 for both of the above values.

Now the DSD warning and AWS warnings are audible outside the cabs ( just as loudly as when in the cab ), even when at the other end of the train and even in passenger view sitting in the Buffet Car !

Purists may not like this latter, but just doing the DSD bit does mean you can have a wander outside and around the train without having to keep pressing Q all the time.

I'm still to test if and how this affects AI traffic though.

I've tried it this morning and it works a treat, so thank you very much! Although i'm finding that the AWS sounds are very quiet outside the train, if i am in number '3' view, i can't hear it at all, and i have changed all the values that you suggested. Is there any way to increase the AWS volume? Also, can anybody please tell me how to get rid of the hideous wiper sounds please!?

Cheers
Terrone.

To get rid of the annoying wiper sounds, I just renamed the following files

\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\RSC\Class91Addon\Audio\RailVehicles\Electric\Class 91\Cab\RS Class 91 Wiper 01.dav
\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Assets\RSC\Class91Addon\Audio\RailVehicles\Electric\Class 91\Cab\RS Class 91 Wiper 02.dav

to something like:-

RS Class 91 Wiper 01_Stop.dav
RS Class 91 Wiper 02_Stop.dav

You will of course have to unpack the .ap file first for these to show.

[davep]

For someone who is extremely wary (to say the least) of editing such files,
would it be possible to supply the amended file so I/we can simply drop it
into the game, pretty please

[Mr395008]

Just tried this out. Works like a treat, I've extended the sound to 300 meters and can just about here it from the 91 at the rear!
From the blunt end of 91 cab seems to work exactly the same, outside sound works perfectly.
AI movements so far haven't heard any. I've tested it with about 20 225 AI's around my train and it's been fine.

[31160]

i have to say as Gary said i do prefer to drive in helicopter mode, so anything that could make the model more driveable would be welcome and i can think if one scenario of the top of my head that could come packaged with a patch if that would be of interest

[deltic009]

I realise that page 3 may be a little late to join the party, but, are not discussing the vigilance device fitted, rather than the DSD? The DSD is the handle/pedal that needs to be pressed permanently to prove the presence of the driver, and then the vigilance is what check the drivers presence isn't down to them being slumped upon the DSD.

[gptech]

Latecomers to parties are always welcome, it ensures there's a steady supply of booze...

As the sound is referenced as DSD in the .bin files Matthew it's probably less confusing if we use that term throughout--particularly for those less conversant with delving into the contents of those files.
davep's asked if amended files could be made available; there's no reason why not as long as we can be pretty sure that it's a fix with no (or few) side effects.

[Springer6]

Latecomers to parties are always welcome, it ensures there's a steady supply of booze...

As the sound is referenced as DSD in the .bin files Matthew it's probably less confusing if we use that term throughout--particularly for those less conversant with delving into the contents of those files.
davep's asked if amended files could be made available; there's no reason why not as long as we can be pretty sure that it's a fix with no (or few) side effects.

Yes I agree that we need some time to shake down this mod to be sure that "it's a fix with no (or few) side effects. I am particularly concerned that this just may give problems with AI traffic . I havn't had time to test this side of things thoroughly yet. However it's probable that DSD and AWS warnings are not generated when in AI mode , certainly the emergency brake feature cannot be enabled as AI traffic would not run in that case. First tests reported by Mr395008 above seem promising.

I think this mod might be of particular interest to the drivers of steam locos which are equiped with AWS. You really have to go into at least head out view to see the signals and where you are going.

Since a real life steam driver can still hear the AWS bell with his head out, it strikes me that the if the "ActivationDistance" were set to say 5metres and the other values to "Both" Etc. , then you would be able to hear the AWS when in the cab, also in head out view, but not in general "helicopter view". This would also satisfy those who prefer absolute realism.

Telmore, In my version the original AWS is very quiet ( but marginally adequate) even within the cab. With my values as suggested above , it is just as loud ( or as quiet), 500 metres outside the cab in all views. I don't really know enough about it, but there may be some mileage in increasing the volume by editing the .dav files or increasing the "BaseVolume" in the.proxyxml file. However it is set at "1" now ( not sure if it can it be higher ?)

For now this has allowed me to enjoy the 225 set in my preferred helicopter view , especially in it's new VTEC "coke can" livery. All thanks should go really to "JustRight" who came up with the original idea . I just followed his intructions for the AWS, appled them to the "DSD" and experimented a bit.

[gptech]

Many thanks for investigating this Springer6, I'm sure I speak (write?) for all of us there.

Yes I agree that we need some time to shake down this mod to be sure that "it's a fix with no (or few) side effects

Yeah, I've tried this tonight and once, just once, had the sneaking suspicion that I heard the AWS clear sound from a passing class 91..I've tried again but couldn't replicate this so I suspect I was mistaken. When passing under bridges the reverberation is noticeable, even when 'following' from the maximum distance from the driving cab I can attain on my installation:



but the AWS and DSD sounds were perfectly audible. A trade off maybe, you get the nice external AWS & DSD but have to live with a bit of reverb when passing under bridges--I can deal with that!

Anyway, for those who are reluctant to edit files themselves.... https://www.dropbox.com/s/80ty4tibiy1g7 ... 1.zip?dl=0

That archive contains revised Class 91 Cab.proxybin and Class 91 Cab.proxyxml files; copies of both with the extension .EXTERNAL_AWS-DSD and copies of the original files with the extension .DEFAULT so if it all goes bum over pointy bits you can easily revert back to a good state.

If you're brave enough to give it a whirl, just extract the contents into your ..Steam\SteamApps\common\RailWorks folder.

Any problems are of course Springer6's responsibility hassle him not me!!

(being serious, of course you can hassle me...as long as you do it nicely)

If you have any praise, it goes without saying that it should be directed at Springer6.

[Springer6]

Gptech,

Many thanks for posting the mod. It has saved me the trouble. I hadn't noticed the reverb problem as most of my testing so far has been done on a modified TESTRAK with AWS magnets added , but no tunnels or tight bridges. As you say most people can probably live with that if it is the only problem.

I hope it doesn't throw up any other issues, such as a blatent problem with AI (it has long been suspected that some locos/trains generate a few "clicks" when used as passing AI, but it has never been identified as a serious issue). Anyhow if people have a backup , they can always revert to the default if they wish.

As I have said though,any praise ( or hassle for that matter) should really go to "JustRight" for developing the original idea.

Springer

[davep]

Gary, Springer6 and JustRight - thanks to you all for this mod.
A beer on me should we ever meet.

[gptech]

As I have said though,any praise ( or hassle for that matter) should really go to "JustRight" for developing the original idea.

OK, 60/40 between you and JustRight

As you wrote earlier though, it does potentially lead to tweaks of a lesser distance for other stock, steam locos in particular and I'm sure there are quite a few of us who've enjoyed a ride on one of the more scenic routes we have from the passenger view...for which enabling these sounds externally from the cab is of great benefit. I'm thinking along the lines of sitting in a 156 on the Kyle or Oban routes here, or on Kyle certainly reliving a railtour behind one of those old fashioned hissy things.

Gary, Springer6 and JustRight - thanks to you all for this mod.
A beer on me should we ever meet.

Party tomorrow at Dave's house!!!

[gptech]

I've been playing a few scenarios with the 91, and can confirm that I do hear dings and whatnot from passing 91s if if I'm within 500 yards of an AWS magnet when any other 91 passes over it. Not a great issue, it certainly doesn't detract from game play even though it confuses the hell out of me!
The external sounds seem slightly louder than the internal ones; maybe playing about with the attenuation values could *fine tune* this but as it stands this wee tweak does make driving the 91 more of a fun thing than a chore---you can pop into an outside view to watch passing services or admire a route builder's work without fretting that the brakes will suddenly be applied.