RSC Class 91 DSD

[Mr395008]

this was supposed to be fixed by DTG in an update which they confirmed to me

Did they confirm they actually had a fix to implement, or confirm that they'd pass your observation on to the development team for them to investigate, and if a solution was found it would then be rolled out as a patch?

I'm sure that in another thread about this it was pointed out that prototypically it can't be disabled, so do we (as a group of simulator fans) want realism or gameplay?

They did indeed, I was told it was with the QA team being tested.

[gptech]

Maybe it didn't pass the test.

[Springer6]

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Now, if someone would like to interject and add some cruise control code...?

Kind regards,
Chris[/quote]

Cruise Control, yes please !

[749006]

I thought I would send a ticket to DTG support.

I will let you know if I hear anything.

Peter

[31160]

I uploaded a scenario today, using a test rake from Hitchen yd to Hornsey. So if you fancey give it a go and let me know

[K2rover]

As a bit of historical background to this, the original DSD setting on the Class 91 had it sounding every minute regardless of whether or not the driver moved the controls. This proved to be highly irritating to drivers and risky for instance when slowing into a station or approaching a red signal the DSD would sound even if they were braking. It was then modded to be every 60 seconds unless the driver moved any controls as per normal DSDs. RSC obviously chose to model the original setting, much to everyone's annoyance on here!

[749006]

As a bit of historical background to this, the original DSD setting on the Class 91 had it sounding every minute regardless of whether or not the driver moved the controls. This proved to be highly irritating to drivers and risky for instance when slowing into a station or approaching a red signal the DSD would sound even if they were braking. It was then modded to be every 60 seconds unless the driver moved any controls as per normal DSDs. RSC obviously chose to model the original setting, much to everyone's annoyance on here!

Not quite correct.

They decided to model it with out an Off Switch - much to everyone's annoyance on here!
Even if it was only set to activate when nothing had been moved for 60 seconds - like on the real loco - you would still have difficulty in Helicopter or Lineside modes.

Peter

[749006]

Got a reply -

Good Morning Peter,

The vigilance system on all of our loco's are designed to reflect reality as much as is possible. In the interests of keeping this simulator as realistic as we can we try to avoid such changes however, your comments have been passed to our product team, they will be considered for any improvements or changes that may need to be made for future releases of Dovetail Games products.

We appreciate your taking the time to let us know.

Kind Regards,

Terri Wheeler
Dovetail Games Support

[gptech]

It's a start at least Peter, though for the purposes of this scenario isn't now absolutely necessary as it can be driven from the 'blunt end' cab........a nice change too Mark, enjoyed a different kind of run in the class 91 last night.

[31160]

Well thanks Gary im glad you enjoyed it im working on a few more try aand get at least one finished Friday

[Springer6]

Just a thought on this one.

I've been trying to use the 91 again , after installing the Virgin "coke can " repaint. However I'd forgotten why I stopped using it ! That pesky DSD that you can't switch off ! A disaster when using helicopter view to admire the livery and the scenery.

Instead of trying to switch the DSD off, is there any way that the warning sound can be made to be heard outside the cab, like on some Just Trains locos. That might be easier to do than making DSD "switchable".

[Springer6]

Just a thought on this one.

I've been trying to use the 91 again , after installing the Virgin "coke can " repaint. However I'd forgotten why I stopped using it ! That pesky DSD that you can't switch off ! A disaster when using helicopter view to admire the livery and the scenery.

Instead of trying to switch the DSD off, is there any way that the warning sound can be made to be heard outside the cab, like on some Just Trains locos. That might be easier to do than making DSD "switchable".

I may be answering my own question, but I found this:

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... y#p1704155

Has anyone tried this for the Class 91 or similar ? Note Mike Simpson's comments (3rd one down) about not bothering with the .proxybin file and only modifying the .proxyxml file.

I know it is really for the AWS sounds, but there is a similar entry for the DSD sound in the Class 91.

I might try it, to see if it works, unless of course someone with much more knowledge about these things can see a problem ?

[Springer6]

Just a thought on this one.

I've been trying to use the 91 again , after installing the Virgin "coke can " repaint. However I'd forgotten why I stopped using it ! That pesky DSD that you can't switch off ! A disaster when using helicopter view to admire the livery and the scenery.

Instead of trying to switch the DSD off, is there any way that the warning sound can be made to be heard outside the cab, like on some Just Trains locos. That might be easier to do than making DSD "switchable".

I may be answering my own question, but I found this:

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... y#p1704155

Has anyone tried this for the Class 91 or similar ? Note Mike Simpson's comments (3rd one down) about not bothering with the .proxybin file and only modifying the .proxyxml file.

I know it is really for the AWS sounds, but there is a similar entry for the DSD sound in the Class 91.

I might try it, to see if it works, unless of course someone with much more knowledge about these things can see a problem ?

Ok sucess ! ( I think) For anyone who is interested and want's to drive the Class 91 ( 225 set ) in outside view.

I followed JustRight's intructions given in the topic linked above. i.e. I used Notepad++ to modify the "Class 91 Cab .proxyxml " file in the Class91Addon/Audio/RailVehicles/Electric/Class91/Cab folder. After backing up the original. I also backed up the "Class91 Cab .proxybin" file, but as Mike Simpsons states, you probably don't need to modify this file.
Even so, after modding the .proxyxml file I used the serz shortcut method decribed by JustRight to create a new .proxybin file.

In modding the .proxyxml file, I searched with Notepad++ for AWS and then DSD. Whenever I found a place where ">INSIDE</PlayState>" appeared in the line above AWS and then DSD, I changed "INSIDE" to "BOTH".

Seemingly this did not work at first, but reading on in the linked topic (bottom of 9th post down by JustRight) I found that the "ActivationDistance" in the Class91 Cab .proxyxml file was set to 2 metres! So you would never hear it if outside the cab.

I changed this to 50.0 metres and , as if by magic, the DSD alarm can now be heard externally ( as long as you are within 50 metres of the cab) You can also hear the AWS alarm outside the cab , but only just, as the volume , even within the cab is quite low. I will try to increase this volume.

The MK 4 DVT cab also has these external sounds when driving, but you need to shut the last cab down fully before swapping cabs to avoid the external alarms sounding continually in the cab you left.

I haven't tried the rear "Flat" cab on the class 91 yet.

Since a 225 set is about 250 metres long, I may increase the Activation distance to 300 metres and try it. Also I have been unable yet to test the issue of possibly hearing external alarms from passing AI trains mentioned in the linked topic.

I find it much more fun to drive the 225 set in outside view when you can hear the DSD alarms. You don't have to keep pressing Q all the time and you can avoid unexpected Emergency Braking. You don't really need the external AWS sound as you have the visual alerter on the HUD and can anticipate signals/speed reductions etc.If you don't want the external AWS alarms you can just mod the DSD "INSIDE" sections of the .proxyxml file.

If you are going to try this, make sure you back up everything before you start. It hasn't broken my sim so far and if you don't like it you can revert to the original by using the backed up .proxyxml and .proxybin files.

[Mr395008]

Thanks for this. I'll give it a try tomorrow morning!

[gptech]

Well done! I'll have a look at implementing this too.