Atomic Systems

Mmmm... 40 Euros for coaches and a loco I already have... Probably too much for me...

Yep, the price is high. But look at the package what you will get for the money. Normally, when you need to stay profitable (what is the main target in most companies), you need a much higher price for such a project. As i read on other sites that this project is more a hobby, besides the school and other jobs, than a commercal project, it could be the right way for them. In a company like e.g. vR you can't do such big things at only one product to be economical. They worked more than a year on it. Not what you can do if you need a product each new month on your store. So be happy with the 'low' price. I think you will rarely find such big packages on the market in the future.

On the technical side of the package we need to check out what is really done of complexity, physics and sound. On the white paper (the videos) it looks quite good. Working displays are only gimmic and not really functionality. Most thing you do is drving the train. So it needs the feeling you are driving a train, not shiny blinking stuff, IMO

MaikG wrote:Yep, the price is high. But look at the package what you will get for the money. Normally, when you need to stay profitable (what is the main target in most companies), you need a much higher price for such a project. As i read on other sites that this project is more a hobby, besides the school and other jobs, than a commercal project, it could be the right way for them. In a company like e.g. vR you can't do such big things at only one product to be economical. They worked more than a year on it. Not what you can do if you need a product each new month on your store. So be happy with the 'low' price. I think you will rarely find such big packages on the market in the future.

On the technical side of the package we need to check out what is really done of complexity, physics and sound. On the white paper (the videos) it looks quite good. Working displays are only gimmic and not really functionality. Most thing you do is drving the train. So it needs the feeling you are driving a train, not shiny blinking stuff, IMO

I realise that, that's why I said "probably". And yes, I want to wait for reviews, things like physics is something you can't get from a video.

Tbh Maik I only see it as a little step extra in features compared to vR's products (because of the different countries this runs on) but at double the price I think it's way too steep (£20 would have been the max I was willing to spend, which compared to other products like AP's and vR's stuff is still more expensive).

secludedsfx wrote:Tbh Maik I only see it as a little step extra in features compared to vR's products (because of the different countries this runs on) but at double the price I think it's way too steep (£20 would have been the max I was willing to spend, which compared to other products like AP's and vR's stuff is still more expensive).

I'm still unsure about this package as the HRQ version already provides quite a few variant's of the Taurus.

secludedsfx wrote:Tbh Maik I only see it as a little step extra in features compared to vR's products (because of the different countries this runs on) but at double the price I think it's way too steep (£20 would have been the max I was willing to spend, which compared to other products like AP's and vR's stuff is still more expensive).

I don't want to compare vR with the RWA RJ. Different targeted markets. The RWA RJ does what all others do, it creates a shiny blinky colourfull object. The most what is done you can see with the eyes directly. VR locos and their sripts are different. The goal is not to create colours and blinky stuff. The main goal of EL, as i told anough before, are the systems behind the visible stuff. Most effort goes to the regulation systems to fix the problems that TS brings with itself. Maybe thats not what users want, but vR want it. The RJ drives most like all other DTG locos. Not really smooth like a real loco. That can be seen on the videos. The regulations are to sharp. And yes, it is not easy to get good results for theses things in TS. Needs alot of testing and testing and more testing, again and again and again. This effort most devs not spending to their locos. Like RSSSLO and now RWA they spend it to the display stuff. I know, displays are nice, but not before the driving behaviour part. One reason why vR is not building a modern loco with these displays, it's not economical for the callable prices on the market.

May I interject that the screens are not just bling bling. If you don't set-up the DDI the train won't work correctly. Everything you see in the tutorial video has functionality. There are some more buttons in the cab which can be moved but we didn't cover them as TS can't deal with the systems they operate.

I have a lot of respect for VR stuff and love what they do. But to say that this RJ is more like DTG product is a bit of an insult.

Our railjet has features that have never been attempted in TS before. We have scripted every quirk of the real train (one of our team members spent many hours in the cab of the real train). The way the driving trailer starts to shake left and right when it goes round tight bends...yup, we have modelled that, the things the go on when you initiate an emergency brake, it's there, the cooling system responding to load, the option to increase the electrodynamic brake efficiency, it is all there. No bling! Every button and switch you see in the tutorial videos does something.

Yes, this is a different animal from the VR EL stuff but that has more to do with the fact that this is a very modern train. They are just different to the products that VR produce. It is however lightyears away from DTG products.

We also have included 5 different railjets and 26 repaints of the loco. Including different version of the loco with the corresponding cabs. (not all 1116 have the same cabs).

Like I said, I highly respect the VR stuff and value their opinion, but this is pretty much on the same level, just on a modern train.

stefan

Stefan, please do respect my personal opinion, ok? VR wasn't speaking here. We will see what is bling and what is not when the pack is released.

Is this the same version Dovetail will be selling through Steam?

Mr395008 wrote:Is this the same version Dovetail will be selling through Steam?

No.

Simon
Just Trains
http://www.justtrains.net

I think that 40 Euros is steep, however I'm sure a nice letter to Santa may well reap rewards? All joking aside though this is something I would justify buying purely for the scale of the package, If DTG were doing it that would be 26 times £11.99! Horses for courses.

simuk wrote:

Mr395008 wrote:Is this the same version Dovetail will be selling through Steam?

No.

Simon
Just Trains
http://www.justtrains.net

Thanks for confirming! I know what version I'll be buying then!

Quite a few people on the German forums expected the price to be nearer to 30 euros, there is something of a debate about it. The current poor Euro to Pound exchange rate is getting a few mentions. Seems about 50/50 regarding the price, personally I think given the time and effort put into the add-on it's a reasonable price that will probably leave the authors at well below the minmum wage for their hours. Looking forward to release, the auto upgrade will be useful for those half-awake evenings when you just want a drive with no fuss, likewise the ability to have the safety systems on or off. Efectively a half asleep or fully awake mode

Seems that they have had second thoughts on the price, now £26.99 release iminent.

holzroller wrote:Seems that they have had second thoughts on the price, now £26.99 release iminent.

Yep, 35 Euros.