JT BR Standard 5MT - OUT NOW

[tnleeuw01]

Hi Chris,

I tested the reverser "jump" issue - it must be due to my inexpert use of the reverser keyboard controls yesterday. Thanks for clearing that up!

I did get today however the "pneumatic drill" sound issue, so I really hope that that can be cleared up.

I get it when closing down the regulator. It first started happening to me when I was driving with reverser around 20% (F5 HUD) / 15% at F3 HUD or on the cab control, driving close to 70MPH. I shut down regulator almost completely so not to overspeed, and the pneumatic drill started. When opening the regulator wide open again, it gradually goes away.
Closing the regulator - comes again. Opening - goes away again.

Reverser setting didn't seem to matter anymore actually, but I don't know if it mattered in the original triggering of this issue.

Should I raise a support ticket? Or not, since one has already been raised?


Another question, saving in scenarions and restarting - is that supported, or not? I couldn't find reference to any issues with resuming saved scenarios in the manual.

However, I tried resuming a scenario but no matter what I tried, the loco wouldn't move. The brakes were off, lots of steam coming out of the cylinder cocks, but the engine remained dead-still.

I do know that many advanced engines have issues with resuming scenarios, due to the scripting used (Only the vR E10 / E40 family seems to have solved this problem, to my knowledge). So it's not a big deal really, but I'd like to at least know.

If there's a procedure to follow before saving, please outline it, and otherwise, it would perhaps be a good idea to mention this in the manual....?

Cheers,

--Tim

[ChrisBarnes]

I did get today however the "pneumatic drill" sound issue, so I really hope that that can be cleared up.

I get it when closing down the regulator. It first started happening to me when I was driving with reverser around 20% (F5 HUD) / 15% at F3 HUD or on the cab control, driving close to 70MPH. I shut down regulator almost completely so not to overspeed, and the pneumatic drill started. When opening the regulator wide open again, it gradually goes away.
Closing the regulator - comes again. Opening - goes away again.

Are you using ActivFireman as well, Tim? That to me sounds like a problem with the way the AI is operating the injectors, which might explain the problem for both Rich and yourself.

Should I raise a support ticket?

Yes please, as the support team will be able to keep track of how widespread this and any other issue is.

Another question, saving in scenarions and restarting - is that supported, or not? I couldn't find reference to any issues with resuming saved scenarios in the manual.

However, I tried resuming a scenario but no matter what I tried, the loco wouldn't move. The brakes were off, lots of steam coming out of the cylinder cocks, but the engine remained dead-still.

I do know that many advanced engines have issues with resuming scenarios, due to the scripting used (Only the vR E10 / E40 family seems to have solved this problem, to my knowledge). So it's not a big deal really, but I'd like to at least know.

If there's a procedure to follow before saving, please outline it, and otherwise, it would perhaps be a good idea to mention this in the manual....?

There's no special procedure, it should work fine when resuming a scenario or starting a rolling start scenario. Crucial info and values that gets lost when you exit the scenario is saved in controls put in place to remember those values, so the script can retrieve the lost information when the scenario is resumed. If you can try resuming the scenario again and the loco won't budge again, check the exterior for a missing connecting rod, a busted cylinder with a ruptured cylinder head, and that the cutoff is sufficiently high to start moving.

I haven't got the script to hand as I'm currently on my iPad, so there could be other factors that I've forgotten about, but those are the three that spring to mind. If you don't have any more success, let me know and I will do an investigation into it.

I have had the B key toot not working on the odd occasion, but that always seems to happen after going into the editor.
Happens on some other locos as well, not just the JT ones, I have always had to do a reboot to clear it.

The toot whistles on the B key use instances, which are used to stop sounds playing over one another when you repeatedly press the same key. Unfortunately, sounds with instances have a tendency to stop working after going into the editor or after loading a scenario up for the first time since the start of the game session.

Hi Chris, first of all thanks for getting back to me. The 5MT has decided not to play ball with me and in the last run I was not hearing the noise at 35-40 MPH at all. 1 thing I did notice however was my short toot whistle (B key) has now started to work on this scenario, before I heard no toot. Could the 2 sounds be related somehow or is it coincidence? I'm going to keep at it though and see if I can get the noise to come back and snatch a recording of it for you guys.

Thanks Rich, see my replies to Tim and Anthony above regarding the drill noise and toot whistles. They will be separate issues, I'm sure. Any video or audio recording would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
Chris

[tnleeuw01]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the answer so late - One thing I can answer straight away is that I was using the ActivFireman!

Restarting the loco from a saved scenario, and raising a support ticket, I will do tomorrow (getting rather late here! )

Before saving the scenario though I brought the loco to a standstill, put the brakes on, put reverser into full reverse gear.

Upon resuming all controls seemed to respond normally and give corrrect readings, only the regulator stayed at 0% in the F5 HUD.

No damaged cylinders I think, on closing the cylinder cocks no steam was blasting out of the cylinders anymore, but I will make a closer inspection tomorrow.

*EDIT: Although now that I think of it, quite possible that the boiler had been priming before saving, but I opened cylinder cocks on warning of the ActivHints, and was able to apply power before saving despite having too much water in the boiler.


Thanks a lot,

--Tim

PS: I'm not sure how to make a video recording of TS, but if I can reproduce the hammering sound issue, I will try. It happens for me with ActivFireman ON, and shutting the regulator - opening the regulator makes the horrible noise go away.
Anything extra you wish us to do for tracking down this issue? Such as running with special startup parameters for extra logging?
I'll try to make some time for that tomorrow.

[ChrisBarnes]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the answer so late - One thing I can answer straight away is that I was using the ActivFireman!

Restarting the loco from a saved scenario, and raising a support ticket, I will do tomorrow (getting rather late here! )

Before saving the scenario though I brought the loco to a standstill, put the brakes on, put reverser into full reverse gear.

Upon resuming all controls seemed to respond normally and give corrrect readings, only the regulator stayed at 0% in the F5 HUD.

No damaged cylinders I think, on closing the cylinder cocks no steam was blasting out of the cylinders anymore, but I will make a closer inspection tomorrow.

*EDIT: Although now that I think of it, quite possible that the boiler had been priming before saving, but I opened cylinder cocks on warning of the ActivHints, and was able to apply power before saving despite having too much water in the boiler.


Thanks a lot,

--Tim

Thanks, Tim. If you still can't get the loco to move, it might be worth sending me the scenario folder including save data, if it's on a route that I have got and I have all of the rolling stock used! That way I should get the loco in the exact same conditions as you are getting, and be able to inspect the control state dialog and LogMate to see what's going on.

There are many options for recording TS video. Fraps and Bandicam have free versions available to download (each video is on a short timer and watermarked, wouldn't recommend either if you have other options), Game DVR on the Xbox App on W10 is pretty good, and I think most 700/800/900 series nVidia cards support Shadowplay, which in my experience is by far and away the best for quality and minimal performance impact. You can also use a smart phone, tablet, digital camera, camcorder etc to take a video "off-screen".

Whatever software or method you use, the video file is likely to be very big, so I would recommend using Miro (free to download and open source) to compress the video into iPhone format. This will massively reduce the file size whilst retaining good video and audio quality.

Anything extra you wish us to do for tracking down this issue? Such as running with special startup parameters for extra logging?

I can't think of anything extra, so no, but thank you for your very kind offer of more help.

Kind regards,
Chris

[tnleeuw01]

Hi Chris,

I did some more testing...

No damaged cylinders I think, on closing the cylinder cocks no steam was blasting out of the cylinders anymore, but I will make a closer inspection tomorrow.

I did restart the scenario again, and saw now in the messages that appeared at start of scenario, that one of cylinders was now damaged. So that explains why I couldn't get the loco to move anymore again.

I tried recording using the Windows10 built in functionality but it claimed that there was nothing to record? Anyway it doesn't matter because on this run, I also couldn't manage to reproduce the hammering drill sound!

I will be trying more but later, and then I hope to also have recording software figured out - I'll try the NVidia built-in shadowplay functionality.

I did file an issue with the JT support system.

Kind regards and thanks for looking into the issues,

--Tim

[almark]

A lot of TS Users (including myself) use FRAPS for recording in game stuff. (Sorry if this has been suggested,haven't had time to read through the thread.)

http://www.fraps.com/

Cheers,
Mark

[ChrisBarnes]

Rich, Tim, it might not be necessary to send any videos now as I think I've reproduced the problem, and I'm currently in the process of working out what in the scripting is causing the issue. Basically, a scripted control that turns the exhaust injector blowback sound on and off is being repeatedly set to 0 and 1 at a high frequency, so the pneumatic drill sound is the blowback sound playing over itself many times with a tiny delay between each new iteration of the sound. Just to be sure that we are talking about the same issue, if you could still send me or JT a recording that would be helpful, but as I say it's probably not the end of the world if you can't because I'm confident I'm experiencing the same nasty sound.

Kind regards,
Chris

[RichDawson]

Cheers Chris, I'll get on to recording a video tomorrow.

[tnleeuw01]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the continued support. The efforts by you and the rest of the team are very much appreciated. I hope that all the post release effort going into this loco will translate into a better 7MT upon release, because all the same bugs will already be fixed!

The issue which you describe, is that consistent with my observation that the problem occurs at low regulator settings, and goes away again at high regulator settings?

Cheers,

--Tim

[ChrisBarnes]

Hi Tim, yep it is. I'm still not certain how it gets into that state in the first place, but I think I now know why it rattles between blowback and no blowback, which is causing the noise. And yes, I hope I won't need to be working on the Brit months after release as well!

Thanks, Rich, that will be really handy.

Kind regards,
Chris

[RichDawson]

Hi Tim, yep it is. I'm still not certain how it gets into that state in the first place, but I think I now know why it rattles between blowback and no blowback, which is causing the noise. And yes, I hope I won't need to be working on the Brit months after release as well!

Thanks, Rich, that will be really handy.

Kind regards,
Chris

Hi Chris, I've had a couple of goes this morning trying to replicate the noise. Would you believe it, I've had no success but seeing what Tim has wrote I shall try using a low regulator setting and go from there.

By the way (and slightly off topic), is there anyone I should contact at JT about requesting the Southern nameplates for the Standard 5?

[deltic009]

Hi Tim, yep it is. I'm still not certain how it gets into that state in the first place, but I think I now know why it rattles between blowback and no blowback, which is causing the noise. And yes, I hope I won't need to be working on the Brit months after release as well!

Thanks, Rich, that will be really handy.

Kind regards,
Chris

Hi Chris, I've had a couple of goes this morning trying to replicate the noise. Would you believe it, I've had no success but seeing what Tim has wrote I shall try using a low regulator setting and go from there.

By the way (and slightly off topic), is there anyone I should contact at JT about requesting the Southern nameplates for the Standard 5?

I *may* know somebody who is planning on doing those, and by that I mean IT'S ME!!

[tnleeuw01]

Hi Chris, I've had a couple of goes this morning trying to replicate the noise. Would you believe it, I've had no success but seeing what Tim has wrote I shall try using a low regulator setting and go from there.

It's a Heisenbug!
We can reproduce it when we are not trying to, but when we try to reproduce it so that we can capture it, we aren't able to reproduce it anymore!



--Tim

[RichDawson]

Hi Chris, I've had a couple of goes this morning trying to replicate the noise. Would you believe it, I've had no success but seeing what Tim has wrote I shall try using a low regulator setting and go from there.

It's a Heisenbug!
We can reproduce it when we are not trying to, but when we try to reproduce it so that we can capture it, we aren't able to reproduce it anymore!



--Tim

I know what you mean Tim but I've managed to reproduce the sound and record it...only problem is the file is 4GB in size! I'm going to try to convert it to a more bite size format (currently .avi) or record it using my phone.

[RichDawson]

I *may* know somebody who is planning on doing those, and by that I mean IT'S ME!!

If you do decide to make the nameplates (and fingers crossed you do), may I suggest 3 plates with different levels of weathering to match the loco weathering?