WHL South from DTG and Milepost Simulations

[pjt1974]

What might be a persuasion for me to buy this route is the quickdrive.

Does the quickdrive only start from either end or is there a good choice of start locations along the route?

[chrisonline]

Does the quickdrive only start from either end or is there a good choice of start locations along the route?

By the looks of it, it is all of the stops - 15 locations in all

[pjt1974]

Thanks Chris

[almark]

I think the comparison between this and WHLE and Trent Valley is a *bit* unfair. Now,it must be remembered that both the WHLE and WCML TV are both around 40-50 miles shorter than WHLS,and whatever anyone says,that makes a massive difference,considering that the sheer detail that Keith and Thomson put into TV particularly takes far too long to realistically input into a much longer route (twice as long). Now,I personally think it would be fairer to compare the Milepost WHL to WCML Over Shap,which whilst it is VERY good is not "as good" as Trent Valley or WHLE in terms of sheer detail,that I think is better for comparing to WHLS.

That's just my personal feeling,to do that amount of detail on a 90+ mile route is not impossible by any means (and where possible it should be encouraged),but to compare it against much shorter routes isn't really fair. I think what all this highlights is just how un-detailed some shorter routes actually are....

[ashgray]

I think the comparison between this and WHLE and Trent Valley is a *bit* unfair. Now,it must be remembered that both the WHLE and WCML TV are both around 40-50 miles shorter than WHLS,and whatever anyone says,that makes a massive distance,considering that the sheer detail that Keith and Thomson put into TV particularly takes far too long to realistically input into a much longer route (twice as long). Now,I personally think it would be fairer to compare the Milepost WHL to WCML Over Shap,which whilst it is VERY good is not "as good" as Trent Valley or WHLE in terms of sheer detail,that I think is better for comparing to WHLS.

That's just my personal feeling,to do that amount of detail on a 90+ mile route is not impossible by any means (and where possible it should be encouraged),but to compare it against much shorter routes isn't really fair. I think what all this highlights is just how un-detailed some shorter routes actually are....

+1

Ash

[pjt1974]

I was trying not to compare the two routes. We are all agreed that the detail on Trent Valley is far more complex than most routes that have come before it. If you don't frequent forums such as this and understand the difficulties and time involved in route building you'd see the WHLS as far inferior if you bought both. I, and the post before, we pretty much just saying that the route was suffering from the post Trent Valley fall out. Expectations have risen and had this route been released two weeks before Trent Valley, or even in three months time, the reaction would've been more positive. It's like riding a bike at 120mph then slowing down to 80mph. Still fast but the perception is it's slow.

[almark]

I was trying not to compare the two routes. We are all agreed that the detail on Trent Valley is far more complex than most routes that have come before it. If you don't frequent forums such as this and understand the difficulties and time involved in route building you'd see the WHLS as far inferior if you bought both. I, and the post before, we pretty much just saying that the route was suffering from the post Trent Valley fall out. Expectations have risen and had this route been released two weeks before Trent Valley, or even in three months time, the reaction would've been more positive. It's like riding a bike at 120mph then slowing down to 80mph. Still fast but the perception is it's slow.

Please don't see my post as having a pop,I'm not,I'm just trying to help everyone see the other side of why the detail may (or may not,I must stress) be higher in the shorter routes. Sorry if it came across that way.

[cerbere22]

Hi,

just a post to mention that I have uploaded four scenarios on the Workshop for this route :

- one with 37516 which hauled the Highland Sleeper last june, a first for a 37 in 9 years : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =495053956

- a three-part scenario with the weekly 6Y15 oil train hauled by a DBS 66 : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =496202316

Let me know if you have any feedback !

[pjt1974]

Don't worry, I didn't think you were having a pop Mark

[michaelhendle]

I'm still undecided whether to get this route,my main concern is the length of single track involved,I think 90 odd miles will get boring,the only time you will see another train is at a passing station.
I think I will put off buying anything new until TS 2016 comes out in September .
Mike

[deltic009]

If you want to be visually entertained and transported back 30 years, I think you'll be disappointed. If you want a challenging drive and some better 37 physics than the default items have for the drive then you should give it a go.

I am happy with the route still although I will say I do not like the more or less continuous bare embankment loft that seems to be under the running line regardless of surrounding terrain.

With all that said, I am still finding it an entertaining drive.

[31160]

If you want to be visually entertained and transported back 30 years, I think you'll be disappointed. If you want a challenging drive and some better 37 physics than the default items have for the drive then you should give it a go.

I am happy with the route still although I will say I do not like the more or less continuous bare embankment loft that seems to be under the running line regardless of surrounding terrain.

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With all that said, I am still finding it an entertaining drive.

Nice pictures Mr Deltic

[Bullmannumber4]

Though this is a nice long route, the trouble I have with it is has the same problem as the WCML TRent Valley as it doesn't really go anywhere and feels a little incomplete. In a way it's great that it gets as far south as Helensburgh Upper, but why not include the line into Glasgow Queen Street? The other omission of the Oban branch is also unfortunate and would have greatly increased the replayability of the route. For those reasons it's not worth the £24.99 asking price.

[rfletcher72]

In a way it's great that it gets as far south as Helensburgh Upper, but why not include the line into Glasgow Queen Street? The other omission of the Oban branch

It amuses me somewhat that it seems some may view the fact the route does not go to either Oban or Queen Street as some sort of oversight on the part of the route's builder, I mean let's face it, it would only be a five minute job to add these surely?.

Queen Street in particular, you have on the whole a busy line (electrified in part) through a dense urban area - the complete opposite to the rest of the line as released. Therefore you would to need to add a whole chunk of assets that would have no real place west of Craigendoran Jn. (OHLE, tower blocks etc), plus then the question of what to run on this section. It all adds up.

And as for Oban to Tyndrum Lower, it's only 36 miles and 53 chains so surely this could have been included? .

I have had a bash in the route editor in recent weeks and in my experience, even getting a mile of line done and scenerised to even an acceptable standard (to me) takes what seems like ages.

Just a thought mind,

[Trev123]

Just about every route DTG bring out people are saying that it should of gone here and here. Even the same with JT routes oh! they have not put this in.