WHL South from DTG and Milepost Simulations

[gptech]

if a developer makes the decision to release something early

I doubt it was....more likely to have been a case of "this is what we can/are prepared to do to hit the proposed release date, so the route will run from A to B" leading to the route actually being released on time

The only extra cost would be more time and considering how long it takes to build a route, a few extra months wouldn't have made too much difference

Have you forgotten we're talking about a commercial route here?...of course time costs money, or are you saying the route builder/team should have worked for free to add the extra bits?

Here's a challenge for you: clone the route and extend that clone by a single mile, fully sceneried with accurate terrain and gradients and see how long it takes you.

[bigstewart]

Did that with the S&D. About a year for the Evercreech to Burnham and then about 4 Months for Templecombe to Bournemouth West.

[gptech]

Did that with the S&D. About a year for the Evercreech to Burnham and then about 4 Months for Templecombe to Bournemouth West.

How many miles of track/scenery/terrain would those extensions be?

[Bullmannumber4]

if a developer makes the decision to release something early

I doubt it was....more likely to have been a case of "this is what we can/are prepared to do to hit the proposed release date, so the route will run from A to B" leading to the route actually being released on time

The only extra cost would be more time and considering how long it takes to build a route, a few extra months wouldn't have made too much difference

Have you forgotten we're talking about a commercial route here?...of course time costs money, or are you saying the route builder/team should have worked for free to add the extra bits?

Here's a challenge for you: clone the route and extend that clone by a single mile, fully sceneried with accurate terrain and gradients and see how long it takes you.

No, I'm just saying that the route to me isn't worth £24.99 in it's current guise.

[gptech]

No, I'm just saying that the route to me isn't worth £24.99 in it's current guise.

That's fine, we're all entitled to our own opinions regarding the value of anything, but your opinion of this particular route does not mean that the developers are *wrong*---I imagine that in their opinion they've done a bloody good job of it!
Question why things haven't been done by all means, but the answers you've received in here (not just from gobby old so-and-so's like me but from real route builders who know what it involves) should surely have explained how the commercial world works, and no matter what you or I or anybody else would like the decision as to where to start & stop, and what to include isn't done with the aim of upsetting those who think like you but to make the project commercially viable (shock, horror---a company actually having to make money!)
Now we have the chance of getting refunds on DLC we don't like, or feel isn't worth the asking price, disappointment with DLC is assuaged somewhat so ultimately all it costs is your time, and as you've already attested time is something that doesn't make much difference.

For the record, the route isn't one that particularly appeals to me but the class 37 does---dynamic numbering and naming holds a lot of promise so come payday (not certain which payday yet) I'll be getting it.

[31160]

For the record, the route isn't one that particularly appeals to me but the class 37 does---dynamic numbering and naming holds a lot of promise so come payday (not certain which payday yet) I'll be getting it.[/quote]

Just to say there are some lovley Eastfield 37 reskins for free over on Railworks Repaints in blue dog, white stripe and Large Logo based on the default model some with 3D nameplates.

[deltic009]

For the record, the route isn't one that particularly appeals to me but the class 37 does---dynamic numbering and naming holds a lot of promise so come payday (not certain which payday yet) I'll be getting it.

Just to say there are some lovley Eastfield 37 reskins for free over on Railworks Repaints in blue dog, white stripe and Large Logo based on the default model some with 3D nameplates.

But, and I suspect this is why it doesn't suit Gary, those ones don't use dynamic numbering/nameplates on them.

[gptech]

Just to say there are some lovley Eastfield 37 reskins for free over on Railworks Repaints in blue dog, white stripe and Large Logo based on the default model some with 3D nameplates.

Yeah,and very nice they are too--- there are also plenty of reskins for the centre box version in the file library here but none of them are dynamically named. Call me awkward but I don't want or need multiple reskins that only differ in which nameplate has been added
Individual loco reskins annoy the hell out of me y'see, we've have a lovely dynamic numbering system since day 1, and now we have stock coming through with that extended to names --- gimme a single .bin, a single .Geo and a bit of randomness

It's always made me chuckle when folk complain (or used to complain) about the problems associated with 'bloating' the Kuju folder, but then installed dozens of reskins that were basically the same, a la MSTS.


...and Matthew beat me to it

[bigstewart]

bigstewart wrote:
Did that with the S&D. About a year for the Evercreech to Burnham and then about 4 Months for Templecombe to Bournemouth West.


How many miles of track/scenery/terrain would those extensions be?


about 30 + miles each.

[rfletcher72]

The dynamic naming interests me too, so good possibilities perhaps.

One to look at on my return from Cleeramadieros ,

[gptech]

Did that with the S&D. About a year for the Evercreech to Burnham and then about 4 Months for Templecombe to Bournemouth West.

How many miles of track/scenery/terrain would those extensions be?

about 30 + miles each.

So that nicely ties in with everybody else's observations....adding 30 miles, although it doesn't seem that much to many in here, will add up to a year to the build time. That's a long time to go with no revenue.....and probably a lot of grey hairs too!!

[michaelhendle]

Just to put my oar in,if it's another 30 miles maybe they will do the as they have done with other routes,and extend the route as a addon.
Mike

[malkymackay]

Just to put my oar in,if it's another 30 miles maybe they will do the as they have done with other routes,and extend the route as a addon.
Mike

But it's not just a 30 mile extension. Crianlarich to Oban is just about 42 miles, or the same length as Fort William to Mallaig, which is a whole route in itself..
On top of that, it's nearly 25 miles into Glasgow Queen St and about 18 of that will need OHLE placing and you would have to factor in scenery on the other side of the Clyde as well as that surrounding the line. Then you would get folk asking why the Balloch line, the line to Milngavie from Westerton and the North Clyde lines to Queen St Low Level aren't included, because, you know, it wouldn't take much to do them.

[37114]

In a way it's great that it gets as far south as Helensburgh Upper, but why not include the line into Glasgow Queen Street? The other omission of the Oban branch

It amuses me somewhat that it seems some may view the fact the route does not go to either Oban or Queen Street as some sort of oversight on the part of the route's builder, I mean let's face it, it would only be a five minute job to add these surely?.

Queen Street in particular, you have on the whole a busy line (electrified in part) through a dense urban area - the complete opposite to the rest of the line as released. Therefore you would to need to add a whole chunk of assets that would have no real place west of Craigendoran Jn. (OHLE, tower blocks etc), plus then the question of what to run on this section. It all adds up.

And as for Oban to Tyndrum Lower, it's only 36 miles and 53 chains so surely this could have been included? .

I have had a bash in the route editor in recent weeks and in my experience, even getting a mile of line done and scenerised to even an acceptable standard (to me) takes what seems like ages.

Just a thought mind,

You're absolutely right but do you not also think that had it gone all the way to Queen Street then more people would of bought it? Two sides to every coin and all that

[gptech]

Of?...OF?....OF?

As making the route longer would obviously increase the costs incurred that would mean that the end users (us) would have to pay more...not a problem for some, but remember that this is a divided nation; "The Ofs, and the Of?--NOT!!!"s


(Think about it... it's a bit cryptic but you'll get it eventually)