DTG Class 105 Cravens

[chrisonline]

So with respect, no one has answered my question! Did the 105 sound like the 101 in real life? In broad "layman standing-by-the-track" general terms, not "ultimate rivet-counting, trained-ear, every Hz of the sound spectrum" terms?

Therefore if I apply 101 AP sounds to the 105 am I wide of the mark, or very close?

BTW, can someone tell me which units I would have known as a kid, going through Hinckley on the Leicester to Birmingham New St run (mid-60's)? Would they have been 101, 105, or another unit?

[rfletcher72]

So with respect, no one has answered my question! Did the 105 sound like the 101 in real life? In broad "layman standing-by-the-track" general terms, not "ultimate rivet-counting, trained-ear, every Hz of the sound spectrum" terms?

Therefore if I apply 101 AP sounds to the 105 am I wide of the mark, or very close?

BTW, can someone tell me which units I would have known as a kid, going through Hinckley on the Leicester to Birmingham New St run (mid-60's)? Would they have been 101, 105, or another unit?

In my opinion, yes they did.

As for DMU's through Hinckley in the 60's, you might actually have seen the 3 car version of the Cravens units. I am pretty sure these were Midlands based. The trailer cars were scrapped however late 60's/early 70's,

[atlasduff47]

So with respect, no one has answered my question! Did the 105 sound like the 101 in real life? In broad "layman standing-by-the-track" general terms, not "ultimate rivet-counting, trained-ear, every Hz of the sound spectrum" terms?

Therefore if I apply 101 AP sounds to the 105 am I wide of the mark, or very close?

BTW, can someone tell me which units I would have known as a kid, going through Hinckley on the Leicester to Birmingham New St run (mid-60's)? Would they have been 101, 105, or another unit?

I would say that the 101 sounds are not a mile off, certainly a massive improvement on the sounds that the unit was released with by the original provider.

Andy

[gptech]

Hi Chris,
Richard sort of answered your question with:

Most Cravens sets ended their days with Leyland engines just like the 101's, so rather than spend time recording a set of AEC sounds especially for the 105 (which I reckon only an informed ear would spot anyhow),

so I'd be inclined to believe that you wouldn't tell the difference.

[jimmyshand]

I had low expectations of this unit but I was pleasantly surprised, particularly regarding the sounds which surprised me most of all. It actually has the best rail joint sounds I've yet heard come out of DTG/RSC and also has bogie running sounds so a big well done from me.

PLEASE NOTE DTG - can you now make the 105 track joint sound the new default on future releases and finally get rid of that awful Kuju 'pick-pock' sound that has bugged me since day one!

[chrisonline]

In my opinion, yes they did.

As for DMU's through Hinckley in the 60's, you might actually have seen the 3 car version of the Cravens units. I am pretty sure these were Midlands based. The trailer cars were scrapped however late 60's/early 70's,

Thanks Richard (and others), that's good enough for me.

From memory, the units I traveled on were three-car, but no memory of whether the front ends were 2 or 3 panes of glass, etc. I just collected numbers in those days! But what I do remember was how I enjoyed sitting behind the driver and imagined driving the train, and always wondered why he took so long changing gear!

[ashgray]

I had low expectations of this unit but I was pleasantly surprised, particularly regarding the sounds which surprised me most of all. It actually has the best rail joint sounds I've yet heard come out of DTG/RSC and also has bogie running sounds so a big well done from me.

PLEASE NOTE DTG - can you now make the 105 track joint sound the new default on future releases and finally get rid of that awful Kuju 'pick-pock' sound that has bugged me since day one!

I agree entirely, but there's little point in posting that here Jimmy. DTG don't frequent these fora (unless some of their operatives are operating incognito again... )

Ash

[michaelhendle]

Hello Richard,

I have just had a run from Durham to Bishops Auckland with your blue version,and I must say it is a really good model,and so easy to install,I was wondering if you could do the centre car for it please.

I don't know any thing about reskins or model making,do you need a base model to make the centre car,also I wondering after looking through some of my old books,it looks like the later class 24's seem to have the same body as the class 25's,if so could you do a class 24 in BR Blue.

I hope you don't mind me asking.

Mike

[xguerra]

Hello Richard,

I have just had a run from Durham to Bishops Auckland with your blue version,and I must say it is a really good model,and so easy to install,I was wondering if you could do the centre car for it please.

I don't know any thing about reskins or model making,do you need a base model to make the centre car,also I wondering after looking through some of my old books,it looks like the later class 24's seem to have the same body as the class 25's,if so could you do a class 24 in BR Blue.

I hope you don't mind me asking.

Mike

Essentially yes, you would need the base model for any bit of stock in TS2015 if you want the modify the geometry. Therefore, since Richard does not possess these because he does not work for DTG, there's no chance on his behalf of seeing the centre car or a Class 24 done.

They would need to be made from scratch, which is up to DTG to do so.

So until them, I wouldn't rest hopes on Richard immediately saying yes.

[gptech]

....I was wondering if you could do the centre car for it please..

Would a trailer from the class 101/111/117 be suitable?

[theorganist]

....I was wondering if you could do the centre car for it please..

Would a trailer from the class 101/111/117 be suitable?

The 117 wouldn't as it was a high density suburban unit with doors to every seating bay. The 101 would be closer being low density but the Cravens units had deeper/larger windows.

Peter

[gptech]

The 101 would be closer being low density but the Cravens units had deeper/larger windows.

Yeah, just tried it with the original 105 but with a little bit of repainting (extend the grey on the roof, sort the window surrounds out) it might not look too bad.



Alternatively... a MK1 coach has windows of the right size so one of those given some TLC might also do as a stand in.

[faedundee2]

You could always use the 101 centre car and think of it like a hybrid set that was made up for whatever reason(it happened quite often in later BR days) like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/ingythewingy/9166103612 obviously the 104 centre car being 101 car instead...

[chrisonline]

Well I'm not a rivet counter, but that doesn't look too good to me

[Yamsi]

There are several audio & video clips on YouTube to judge the sound differences by, but this one caught my ear

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