DTG Weardale and Teesdale Rail Network

[AndyUK]

The problem with field divert holes can't be circumvented as it is an issue with how the game is coded to deal with diesel/electric simulation. Pretty sure if you could work around it then it would have been done by now by the likes of AP etc

It has already been worked round by DTG themselves, or by someone on their behalf, in at least one release as DP1 doesn't suffer from it.

Andy L

Oh, well it's undriveable below 104mph so it wasn't that good a job - wheelie and over 2000amps from a start at 6% throttle surely isn't realistic.

I thought the discussion was about whether or not it was possible to circumvent the flaw in the core code for field diversion, not about the accuracy or otherwise of a particular item of DLC. Sorry to have posted something that contradicted your statement that it can't be done.

Presumably the "undriveable below 104mph" was intended as a joke?

Andy L

[deltic009]

I don't think there's a need to assume I'm getting shirty, I was just pointing out that if a fix breaks something else it isn't fully a fix. I haven't driven DP1 at all recently, so I couldn't recall the finer details in any great accuracy so thanks for pointing it out.

[tnleeuw01]

I don't think there's a need to assume I'm getting shirty, I was just pointing out that if a fix breaks something else it isn't fully a fix. I haven't driven DP1 at all recently, so I couldn't recall the finer details in any great accuracy so thanks for pointing it out.

Actually, not to fuel a fire but to point out a possible inaccuracy - I don't think we actually know if the breakage of one aspect of the driving of the DP1, is because they fixed something else?

Perhaps the field diversion hole can be fixed without breaking driving at low speed?

Depends on what exactly breaks the DP1 engine simulation. Does anyone know details about that?

Anyway we're running rather off-topic here

--Tim

[pjt1974]

Can I be selfish and be the only one who doesn't want this to come out this week because I've had to cancel my card a few minutes ago because of suspicious activity and won't be able to pay for anything for 5 - 7 working days when my new card turns up

[ashgray]

But it'll still be there for you to buy when you new card is activated....

Ash

[michaelhendle]

Hi,
I was wondering if some could do some repaints of the Cl45 in BR Green,I know some were based at Gateshead,so would be useful from 1960+ for the Durham-Darlington part of the route.

I know Richard Fletcher has done some excellent Blue ones,so may be he could do them,I have 2 in mind D64,Coldstream Guardsman,my grandfather served in 1 WW from Mons 1914 until he was killed on the Somme,the other D 89 The Honourable Artillery Company,as my dad was a Ack Ack Gunner from 1939-45

Mike

[31160]

Hi,
I was wondering if some could do some repaints of the Cl45 in BR Green,I know some were based at Gateshead,so would be useful from 1960+ for the Durham-Darlington part of the route.

I know Richard Fletcher has done some excellent Blue ones,so may be he could do them,I have 2 in mind D64,Coldstream Guardsman,my grandfather served in 1 WW from Mons 1914 until he was killed on the Somme,the other D 89 The Honourable Artillery Company,as my dad was a Ack Ack Gunner from 1939-45

Mike

I think given the nose type on the current DTG model the only green one you could do would be 45106 in the retro green Tinsley did on it, if you did a green on to represent them as built without the headcode panels and sealed beam marker lghts it would look bad

[michaelhendle]

Oh well I was just a thought

Mike

[karma99]

I just had to come here and post about this route - and yes I have permission to break the NDA a little

Having just received the route and having no knowledge of things "up North" I set out last night to make notes of the stations and their sizes, industries and places of interest so I could start to plan out the K1 scenarios.

MY GOODNESS! Firstly the route is HUGE. Unlike most A to B routes where lines leave the mainline and then after 100 yards they end in a portal, lots of these keep going and going and going, and then they meet back up with other lines. And it's not just 1 or 2 of these "offshoots". Sometimes following the tracks I had to check the map to make sure I wasn't headed back to an area I'd already looked at just via a different line.
There are some absolutely beautiful areas with featured buildings and bridges and places that look completely unique. There are little stations that are barely more than single platform halts, there are huge stations (I'm looking at you Darlington!) with numerous passing lines running alongside, there is lots of double track and nice single tracks with passing points. Each station is special and unique.

And as for the industries! The K1 rolling stock is all freight so I was looking for places to run various deliveries of full and empty stock. Honestly on some routes I've struggled to come up with things for players to do. Last night I started making notes and then I had to shrink the list of potential scenarios down to single figures - there are easily 2 dozen locations I found easily that can start and end freight scenarios and that's without using any imagination or story telling. The scope of it all is just massive.

Personally I think it can happily utilise stock from post war right up to the 70's without too much suspension of disbelief.

I've been chatting with people involved with the route for many years and seen quite a bit of the progress (not least on Derek's blog) and seen the route map he posted so I had high hopes for it - as you can probably tell by my tone in this post.. it's still blown me away!

[TransportSteve]

Personally I think it can happily utilise stock from post war right up to the 70's without too much suspension of disbelief.

Thanks for that Pete, it's exactly as I thought after having seen the map and the screenshots, it looks wonderful and will give us lots of enjoyment for all genres. I hope it gets released tomorrow, I've had to do my shopping and washing today to ensure I have plenty of playtime available......

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[Thugsy]

I just had to come here and post about this route - and yes I have permission to break the NDA a little

Having just received the route and having no knowledge of things "up North" I set out last night to make notes of the stations and their sizes, industries and places of interest so I could start to plan out the K1 scenarios.

MY GOODNESS! Firstly the route is HUGE. Unlike most A to B routes where lines leave the mainline and then after 100 yards they end in a portal, lots of these keep going and going and going, and then they meet back up with other lines. And it's not just 1 or 2 of these "offshoots". Sometimes following the tracks I had to check the map to make sure I wasn't headed back to an area I'd already looked at just via a different line.
There are some absolutely beautiful areas with featured buildings and bridges and places that look completely unique. There are little stations that are barely more than single platform halts, there are huge stations (I'm looking at you Darlington!) with numerous passing lines running alongside, there is lots of double track and nice single tracks with passing points. Each station is special and unique.

And as for the industries! The K1 rolling stock is all freight so I was looking for places to run various deliveries of full and empty stock. Honestly on some routes I've struggled to come up with things for players to do. Last night I started making notes and then I had to shrink the list of potential scenarios down to single figures - there are easily 2 dozen locations I found easily that can start and end freight scenarios and that's without using any imagination or story telling. The scope of it all is just massive.

Personally I think it can happily utilise stock from post war right up to the 70's without too much suspension of disbelief.

I've been chatting with people involved with the route for many years and seen quite a bit of the progress (not least on Derek's blog) and seen the route map he posted so I had high hopes for it - as you can probably tell by my tone in this post.. it's still blown me away!

In anticipation of the route which is an area also unfamiliar to me I spent a while studying the Working Timetables. Started in 1962 - most passenger trains were Diesel by then (presume DMUs) and very little scheduled freight traffic (I would need the trip or conditional WTTs which I don't have access to for that). Basically in 1962 there was minimal down freight traffic (1 down plus an extra on Saturdays) but quite a few Up that came from various places on Tyneside and ran via Bishop Auckland to Croft Jn at Darlington. Going back further to 1950 I found the pattern was much the same - a few down but plenty of Up goods all bound for Croft from either Tyneside or Consett. They all stop for a while at Shildon to 'Change Loads' whatever that means. Generally speaking all class H goods. In 1950 there were a couple of branch goods Class K between Wearhead and Westgate in Wearhead.

[michaelhendle]

If there are not many freight trains using the route in 50/70's we can always use what is called modellers licence,
Mike

[stuart666]

I just had to come here and post about this route - and yes I have permission to break the NDA a little

Having just received the route and having no knowledge of things "up North" I set out last night to make notes of the stations and their sizes, industries and places of interest so I could start to plan out the K1 scenarios.

MY GOODNESS! Firstly the route is HUGE. Unlike most A to B routes where lines leave the mainline and then after 100 yards they end in a portal, lots of these keep going and going and going, and then they meet back up with other lines. And it's not just 1 or 2 of these "offshoots". Sometimes following the tracks I had to check the map to make sure I wasn't headed back to an area I'd already looked at just via a different line.
There are some absolutely beautiful areas with featured buildings and bridges and places that look completely unique. There are little stations that are barely more than single platform halts, there are huge stations (I'm looking at you Darlington!) with numerous passing lines running alongside, there is lots of double track and nice single tracks with passing points. Each station is special and unique.

And as for the industries! The K1 rolling stock is all freight so I was looking for places to run various deliveries of full and empty stock. Honestly on some routes I've struggled to come up with things for players to do. Last night I started making notes and then I had to shrink the list of potential scenarios down to single figures - there are easily 2 dozen locations I found easily that can start and end freight scenarios and that's without using any imagination or story telling. The scope of it all is just massive.

Personally I think it can happily utilise stock from post war right up to the 70's without too much suspension of disbelief.

I've been chatting with people involved with the route for many years and seen quite a bit of the progress (not least on Derek's blog) and seen the route map he posted so I had high hopes for it - as you can probably tell by my tone in this post.. it's still blown me away!

In anticipation of the route which is an area also unfamiliar to me I spent a while studying the Working Timetables. Started in 1962 - most passenger trains were Diesel by then (presume DMUs) and very little scheduled freight traffic (I would need the trip or conditional WTTs which I don't have access to for that). Basically in 1962 there was minimal down freight traffic (1 down plus an extra on Saturdays) but quite a few Up that came from various places on Tyneside and ran via Bishop Auckland to Croft Jn at Darlington. Going back further to 1950 I found the pattern was much the same - a few down but plenty of Up goods all bound for Croft from either Tyneside or Consett. They all stop for a while at Shildon to 'Change Loads' whatever that means. Generally speaking all class H goods. In 1950 there were a couple of branch goods Class K between Wearhead and Westgate in Wearhead.

Done suppose you have those working timetables scanned do you? I looked in vain for any online, about the best I could find was BR NE carriage working diagrams on the Yahoo Carriages group.

I understand that it was busier at weekend, particularly when they were doing work on the ECML and used the route as a diversion. So it would have been quite busy at times, but probably erratically.

[stuart666]

Hi,
I was wondering if some could do some repaints of the Cl45 in BR Green,I know some were based at Gateshead,so would be useful from 1960+ for the Durham-Darlington part of the route.

I know Richard Fletcher has done some excellent Blue ones,so may be he could do them,I have 2 in mind D64,Coldstream Guardsman,my grandfather served in 1 WW from Mons 1914 until he was killed on the Somme,the other D 89 The Honourable Artillery Company,as my dad was a Ack Ack Gunner from 1939-45

Mike

I dont know if they ever ran a Clas45 on it (I thought they were more LMR and WR) but there was certainly at least one photo I found of a Class 40 in green at Bishop Auckland. Not sure if it ran mind further than that though, but presumably the axis from Durham through to Darlington would be open at least.

[longbow]

They all stop for a while at Shildon to 'Change Loads' whatever that means.

Judging by its size and position, I would guess that Shildon was a remarshalling point with through goods trains stopping to attach wagons for their forward destinations and to drop off traffic for other routes. Plenty of scenario potential there.