Atomic Systems

k3v1n989a813 wrote:Sorry for my criticisms, but I heard somewhere that the excuse for only releasing 1 livery for £11.99 is because of the poll that was held a few month ago showing that the majority want trains with their logos on it. What I don't understand is the lack of the NSE livery. Paying £11.99 for one livery and paying 3 more quid just to get a slightly modified model with a different skin seems a bit cheeky to me.

The lack of NSE is perfectly understandable, it will be sought after. Little point wasting man hours on a livery nobody will pay for. It is a logical business decision and it's what I'd do too, they do have staff wages to pay after all - and unlike the poor excuse for democracy we just had in the UK, your opinion on the matter is voiced perfectly democratically via your wallet.

Cast your mind back to when the ECML-S and Class 91 were both in development. Many people were adamant it would make sense to bundle the 91 with the ECML-S and have the Class 365 as payware - in reality, any businessman who spent 5 minutes asking 2 or 3 enthusiasts would realise that in business terms DTG went about it the ideal way for them.

It's not about having your pants pull down, it's about them supporting the ongoing updates and free core program upgrades through different means.

Not trying to be funny, but how can you tell which one is the guard van?

nukem wrote:

gptech wrote:The formation of the stock is down to the scenario writer, not the modeller so it's a bit harsh to pass that critique on it.

I didn't mean it in a harsh context at all and I am sorry that it was read that way. I'm sure that consists was just put together to show off the units progress.

Yes, but the key wording is/was "A simple thing that could spoil an otherwise impressive model"
Whilst there can be no argument that the formation is *wrong* you did put the emphasis on the model, and there are many who would have mistakenly taken that as being 'Gospel'
It's easy to criticise another's criticism, so I apologise for seeming to be harsh on you but the wording
"A simple thing that could spoil an otherwise impressive package" could perhaps have been better.

749006 wrote:But when you drive the unit in a scenario you should not have to correct the formation of the unit before driving.It may well be that WIP means it's just a test shot and they 'should' get it right before release.

Yes John, but the point is that NOT every consist would be wrong if it was released with QD and Career scenarios featuring consists set up that way--any user generated consists would (should?) be right, unless of course the amateur scenario writers all decided that how it was in QD was how it should only ever be.
Your second sentence actually answers your own statement, in that it's a WIP shot. Perhaps there's a bit of psychology going on here?---give the consumers something to really talk about, keep the damn thing on everybody's mind....

As Matthew has pointed out, and has been pointed out many, many times before, DTG are a business. If they don't make money they go bust. If they go bust TS2016/TS :Unreal and any further development stops. AP, DT, JT could all possibly look elsewhere.
We'd all like more for our money, as a Yorkshireman that's sort of genetic, but even a tight-fisted old so-and-so like me can look at what we had before (half a dozen liveries, different headcodes etc on the original class 101 for example) and wonder if that was really a viable business plan. Perhaps we were all spoiled rotten in "Ye Olden Dayes" and now have to face the harsh realties of modern finances.

Anyway, back to the model...it looks nice, if you like that sort of thing, and it'll sell.

This is great, I'm definitely will enjoy driving this on the Brighton Mainline and even the DPS Portsmouth Direct Line using reskins once Richard Fletcher makes them if he wants to.

I am too nervous it will be using recycled sounds....

I am looking very much forward to this release. I don't use SLN as much as I had hoped, but I still play on the BML regularly. This will be considered an essential for me.

chris

pjt1974 wrote:Not trying to be funny, but how can you tell which one is the guard van?

Most of the 442 vehicles have an uninterrupted line of windows but the MBC has a different window arrangement and a door plus handrails for the Guard in the centre of the coach.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/ele ... 2939-8.jpg
In this picture the different layout of the middle coach can just about be seen
http://www.networksoutheast.net/uploads ... 5_orig.jpg

In NSE/SWT livery the MBSRL carried the names that some of the sets had.

Can see potential to run scenarios on the South London to Brighton line as they used to run Peak workings of Class 442 units between Eastbourne and London Bridge.

749006 wrote:

pjt1974 wrote:Not trying to be funny, but how can you tell which one is the guard van?

Most of the 442 vehicles have an uninterrupted line of windows but the MBC has a different window arrangement and a door plus handrails for the Guard in the centre of the coach.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/ele ... 2939-8.jpg
In this picture the different layout of the middle coach can just about be seen
http://www.networksoutheast.net/uploads ... 5_orig.jpg

In NSE/SWT livery the MBSRL carried the names that some of the sets had.

Nice one, thanks for that. Looking at the DTG screenshots, I can just about see the difference now I know what to look for.

tiesto2000 wrote:Can see potential to run scenarios on the South London to Brighton line as they used to run Peak workings of Class 442 units between Eastbourne and London Bridge.

Are you sure?
I have never seen a picture of a 442 at London Bridge
But in to London Victoria is very common on Gatwick Express and Brighton services.

749006 wrote:

tiesto2000 wrote:Can see potential to run scenarios on the South London to Brighton line as they used to run Peak workings of Class 442 units between Eastbourne and London Bridge.

Are you sure?
I have never seen a picture of a 442 at London Bridge
But in to London Victoria is very common on Gatwick Express and Brighton services.

His information is correct. A working existed but only lasted a short time.

See link:
http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/feat ... ews_m.html

I saw one at London Bridge today...

xguerra wrote:

749006 wrote:

tiesto2000 wrote:Can see potential to run scenarios on the South London to Brighton line as they used to run Peak workings of Class 442 units between Eastbourne and London Bridge.

Are you sure?
I have never seen a picture of a 442 at London Bridge
But in to London Victoria is very common on Gatwick Express and Brighton services.

His information is correct. A working existed but only lasted a short time.

See link:
http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/feat ... ews_m.html

Learn something new each day
That same website has some good detail shots
http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/feat ... ext02.html

Peter

Yes, there's a morning up and returning evening down service from Eastbourne to London Bridge operated by a 10 car 442 formation. I've heard these will likely be the last services to switch to Electrostar working when the 387/2s replace the Wessies.

1F82 0714 Eastbourne - London Bridge
1F83 1823 London Bridge - Eastbourne

Outside of that, there's also the 0732 Brighton - London Bridge service, and the returning 1756 to Brighton.

Also, during some weekend engineering works where Southern operates a 20/30 minute Brighton - Clapham Junction - East Croydon - London Victoria "chain", these are sometimes exclusively 442 operated.

749006 wrote:

tiesto2000 wrote:Can see potential to run scenarios on the South London to Brighton line as they used to run Peak workings of Class 442 units between Eastbourne and London Bridge.

Are you sure?
I have never seen a picture of a 442 at London Bridge
But in to London Victoria is very common on Gatwick Express and Brighton services.

Yes there is one Peak service at 1757 down to Brighton from London Bridge and one at 1823 down to Eastbourne. Both trains are stabled at Streatham Hill Depot during the day. Having worked the 0732 Brighton to London Bridge and the 0714 Eastbourne to London Bridge respectively.

Oh and as for the Guards Van, I work on them

The Eastbourne Student Specials are back this year again as well. 2x442 for as long as I can remember, although I believe there was a period when the train was 3x377. Running every Saturday (except during engineering works) from Eastbourne at 0822 non stop to Victoria; the up service is not running via Brighton this year. Down service is the 1721 from Victoria, again non stop.