WCML London and Midlands

[749006]

I was trying Scenario 19 with the 445 acting as a tube train and I had a TPWS activation twice before getting to Willesden Jn and I was on clear signals doing less than the line speed.
Not sure why it's doing that.

Peter

[Alex55]

I was trying Scenario 19 with the 445 acting as a tube train and I had a TPWS activation twice before getting to Willesden Jn and I was on clear signals doing less than the line speed.
Not sure why it's doing that.

Peter

Hi Peter
The answer to your question is in the Briefing :

"For passenger safety, there is a 30mph speed restriction along the length of ALL platforms on the DC section. This applies even if you are not stopping to pick up passengers!
If you exceed 30mph entering or leaving the platform, the emergency brakes will be applied!"

The first "pop-up" instruction is:

"You have time to set up your cab and read the Briefing while we wait for the signal."

As my teacher used to say, "you'll go a long way if only you'd pay attention"

[Alex55]

Trains are routed out of Line D in reality; what happens is that they check incoming trains at the signals above the Grand Union. All those lines between Camden Junction and Euston should be reversible.
If trains can't get out of Line D, then thee's a missing crossover somewhere.

Hi David.
Thanks for the info.
The crossover to Line D is already in place for departures from p13 to p18, but routing required a calling on indicator using "tab".
Now I know that all lines between Camden Junction and Euston are reversible, I will amend the signaling accordingly in the next update.
Can you advise on Line A, as it only connects to Camden Junction Up Secondary Fast.
Looking at google earth, I may be missing a crossover or two ?
Andy

[tubemad]

Does anything depart using Line D nowadays though? I didn't think that is a normal route, and as I'm working on my 2012 rush hour pack, looking through the WTT, all departures are via Line E, C and X only. Arrivals via A, B and D

[Alex55]

Does anything depart using Line D nowadays though? I didn't think that is a normal route, and as I'm working on my 2012 rush hour pack, looking through the WTT, all departures are via Line E, C and X only. Arrivals via A, B and D

Hi James
Thanks for the info (Déjà vu )
That's the way I had it set up, but if I can get it (the signaling) to work David's way, hopefully we'll all be happy

"The more we learn the less we know"

Andy

[davejc64]

I have just downloaded this route but there is no list of requirements read me, so any help with a list would be helpful please?

[bri2808]

I have just downloaded this route but there is no list of requirements read me, so any help with a list would be helpful please?

Was only one page back Dave lol:

Main Assets required are:

Photons66 original WCML LM Assets: UKTS File ID: 34101
European Loco & Asset Pack (Steam)
RSC: London Brighton
RSC: Liverpool Manchester
RSC: Woodhead Line
Thomson: WCML Trent Valley
KeithMRoss: WCML north & WCML2 over Shap
Just Trains: Newcastle to Edinburgh & Scottish ECML (ESSENTIAL FOR SIGNALS, GANTRIES & OHLE)

UKTS Freeware Packs
Blocks and Lofts
Clutter
Industrial
Railway Buildings
Carriages v1.1.2

A list of additional assets for improved visual scenic effects & scenarios is also enclosed in the download, UKTS File ID : 35172

[davejc64]

I have just downloaded this route but there is no list of requirements read me, so any help with a list would be helpful please?

Was only one page back Dave lol:

Main Assets required are:

Photons66 original WCML LM Assets: UKTS File ID: 34101
European Loco & Asset Pack (Steam)
RSC: London Brighton
RSC: Liverpool Manchester
RSC: Woodhead Line
Thomson: WCML Trent Valley
KeithMRoss: WCML north & WCML2 over Shap
Just Trains: Newcastle to Edinburgh & Scottish ECML (ESSENTIAL FOR SIGNALS, GANTRIES & OHLE)

UKTS Freeware Packs
Blocks and Lofts
Clutter
Industrial
Railway Buildings
Carriages v1.1.2

A list of additional assets for improved visual scenic effects & scenarios is also enclosed in the download, UKTS File ID : 35172

that will teach me not to read completely through a thread, anyway thanks for that I will have a proper look later as I have to go out shortly.

[simon3747]

Does anything depart using Line D nowadays though? I didn't think that is a normal route, and as I'm working on my 2012 rush hour pack, looking through the WTT, all departures are via Line E, C and X only. Arrivals via A, B and D

Hi James
Thanks for the info (Déjà vu )
That's the way I had it set up, but if I can get it (the signaling) to work David's way, hopefully we'll all be happy

"The more we learn the less we know"

Andy

I don´t know if the following you tube video will help?

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[photons66]

Trains are routed out of Line D in reality; what happens is that they check incoming trains at the signals above the Grand Union. All those lines between Camden Junction and Euston should be reversible.
If trains can't get out of Line D, then thee's a missing crossover somewhere.

Hi David.
Thanks for the info.
The crossover to Line D is already in place for departures from p13 to p18, but routing required a calling on indicator using "tab".
Now I know that all lines between Camden Junction and Euston are reversible, I will amend the signaling accordingly in the next update.
Can you advise on Line A, as it only connects to Camden Junction Up Secondary Fast.
Looking at google earth, I may be missing a crossover or two ?
Andy

Line A is used chiefly for arrivals, so I don't think thee are any missing crossovers between Euston, Park Street Tunnel and Cadmen Junction. Departures from platforms 1-6 use line X underneath the formation.

[Alex55]

Does anything depart using Line D nowadays though? I didn't think that is a normal route, and as I'm working on my 2012 rush hour pack, looking through the WTT, all departures are via Line E, C and X only. Arrivals via A, B and D

Hi James
Thanks for the info (Déjà vu )
That's the way I had it set up, but if I can get it (the signaling) to work David's way, hopefully we'll all be happy

"The more we learn the less we know"

Andy

I don´t know if the following you tube video will help?

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Now you've done it Simon !!!
I'm going to have to re-lay the WHOLE track

There are some more up to date vids that look interesting and may be very helpful.
I wish I'd thought of drivers eye vids

Thanks

Andy

[749006]

I was trying Scenario 19 with the 445 acting as a tube train and I had a TPWS activation twice before getting to Willesden Jn and I was on clear signals doing less than the line speed.
Not sure why it's doing that.

Peter

Hi Peter
The answer to your question is in the Briefing :

"For passenger safety, there is a 30mph speed restriction along the length of ALL platforms on the DC section. This applies even if you are not stopping to pick up passengers!
If you exceed 30mph entering or leaving the platform, the emergency brakes will be applied!"

The first "pop-up" instruction is:

"You have time to set up your cab and read the Briefing while we wait for the signal."

As my teacher used to say, "you'll go a long way if only you'd pay attention"

Thanks Andy. I was enjoying the sprint between stations when the brakes went on.
Saw the instruction about the Briefing but I was stuck in a tunnel with no cab light so I could not read it

Peter

[tubemad]

I've noticed something too, I think these signal checks that occur at junctions might have something to do with the proceeding signal being located just after a set of points? I'm not sure but working on my 5th scenario, I am just starting to spot some signals placed after the junction where I get these single/double yellow signal checks, just a thought?

Also me and my tester are having some odd timing issues. To start with, I set my player train to start at Euston P2 3 minutes before booked departure, so I set the stop as a timed stop, 1700 (and 30 seconds) to 1703. I start the scenario, I get the right away before 1701! Ok I thought I may have forgot to set the time in. I had already checked the time stop box thing, and set it to the desired times. I deleted the Euston stop and re-added it in and sure enough it dispatched me on time. My tester had a go at it on his machine, and he got the right away 3 minutes early! How on earth does this work?

I had the same issue with my 4th scenario using AP's LM 321, only this time it was a case of if I arrived on time anywhere, it penalized me and made me wait an extra minute (So a booked 1 minute stop, I'd be there for just over 2 minutes). As I set this as a timetabled run, I was worried I was going to have an 'x' rather than a tick for the other stops. Despite now being a minute late at the next stop, it was happy to give me a tick anyway.
I managed to thrash the hell out of the 321 and 2 stops on, I was back on time. Hoping I was recovering...nope! I was on time and the dispatcher wasn't happy so I was departing 1 minute late again! This was repeated for 2 other stops I managed to arrive on time, and I arrived at journeys end at Northampton 2 minutes early, and had to set off for the Depot, and didn't let me go until I was 1 minute late again

Very odd I must say!

[Alex55]

I've noticed something too, I think these signal checks that occur at junctions might have something to do with the proceeding signal being located just after a set of points? I'm not sure but working on my 5th scenario, I am just starting to spot some signals placed after the junction where I get these single/double yellow signal checks, just a thought?

Also me and my tester are having some odd timing issues. To start with, I set my player train to start at Euston P2 3 minutes before booked departure, so I set the stop as a timed stop, 1700 (and 30 seconds) to 1703. I start the scenario, I get the right away before 1701! Ok I thought I may have forgot to set the time in. I had already checked the time stop box thing, and set it to the desired times. I deleted the Euston stop and re-added it in and sure enough it dispatched me on time. My tester had a go at it on his machine, and he got the right away 3 minutes early! How on earth does this work?

I had the same issue with my 4th scenario using AP's LM 321, only this time it was a case of if I arrived on time anywhere, it penalized me and made me wait an extra minute (So a booked 1 minute stop, I'd be there for just over 2 minutes). As I set this as a timetabled run, I was worried I was going to have an 'x' rather than a tick for the other stops. Despite now being a minute late at the next stop, it was happy to give me a tick anyway.
I managed to thrash the hell out of the 321 and 2 stops on, I was back on time. Hoping I was recovering...nope! I was on time and the dispatcher wasn't happy so I was departing 1 minute late again! This was repeated for 2 other stops I managed to arrive on time, and I arrived at journeys end at Northampton 2 minutes early, and had to set off for the Depot, and didn't let me go until I was 1 minute late again

Very odd I must say!

Hi James
I mentioned a while back that there seemed to be a connection between the double yellow signal issue and the proximity to a junction.
The worst case I had, was approaching Tring on the up slow. I got a double yellow, single yellow and then a RED, which changed to green when I passed over the associated AWS ramp.
It took me days to sort out. In the end, the problem was cured by terminating the AI service (ahead of me) to a portal further down the line.
I don't know if that may help you ?

I've had exactly the same problems as you with timetabled scenarios !
You may have noticed, I've stopped doing them for that reason.
My train was arriving on bang on time, booked for a 35 sec stop and being held for at least another 60 secs after the booked departure time?
I gave up in the end
Do you think it's something to do with the route or just a TS thing ?

Andy

[Alex55]

Trains are routed out of Line D in reality; what happens is that they check incoming trains at the signals above the Grand Union. All those lines between Camden Junction and Euston should be reversible.
If trains can't get out of Line D, then thee's a missing crossover somewhere.

Hi David.
Thanks for the info.
The crossover to Line D is already in place for departures from p13 to p18, but routing required a calling on indicator using "tab".
Now I know that all lines between Camden Junction and Euston are reversible, I will amend the signaling accordingly in the next update.
Can you advise on Line A, as it only connects to Camden Junction Up Secondary Fast.
Looking at google earth, I may be missing a crossover or two ?
Andy

Line A is used chiefly for arrivals, so I don't think thee are any missing crossovers between Euston, Park Street Tunnel and Cadmen Junction. Departures from platforms 1-6 use line X underneath the formation.

Hi David
Thanks for that information.
Looking at google earth and some vids on YouTube I was missing three crossovers on the Camden Bank/Park St Tunnel section ( also had one that shouldn't have been there )
Another one missing between down slow and up slow opposite Camden Carriage Sidings (I can't work out what it would be used for, but...)
Anyway, they'll be in place in the next update, (Some time in March I hope)
Andy