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SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:27 pm
by JLD95
Hi,

if I compare assets/SAD directory between http://rail-sim.de/railsimnew/index.php ... for-ts2012 and these two UKTS routes, I have differences:

Crouch Valley
 Click to view more informationCrouch Valley 3 [402982481 bytes] - CrouchValley3.zip
File ID: 32204 Date: 14 Jan 2014 - 4621 Downloads

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Scenery\lights\lantaarn.bin & lantaarn.GeoPcDx Scenery\lights\textures\
Scenery\lights\textures\beam.TgPcDx 
Scenery\lights\textures\glow.TgPcDx
Scenery\lights\textures\pole.TgPcDx
Scenery\lights\textures\pole_Wi.TgPcDx

Great Central Railway 3
 Click to view more informationUKTS Freeware Route Pack - Great Central Railway [70690953 bytes] - UKTS Freeware Route Pack - Great Central Railway v3.0.14.exe
File ID: 31726 Date: 23 Oct 2013 - 3298 Downloads

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river1.proxyxml	audio\audio
concrete1.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
concrete1_WI.TgPcDx|concrete1_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
detail_ventilation.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
detail_ventilation_WI.TgPcDx|detail_ventilation_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
floor_stones.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
floor_stones_WI.TgPcDx|floor_stones_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
grass1.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
grass1_WI.TgPcDx|grass1_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
high_rise1.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
high_rise1_nightmode.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
highrise_sm.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof4_tile.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof4_tile_WI.TgPcDx|roof4_tile_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof6_tile.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof6_tile_WI.TgPcDx|roof6_tile_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof7_tile.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
roof7_tile_WI.TgPcDx|roof7_tile_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
wall1.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
wall3.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
wall5.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\buildings
biels2.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
biels2_WI.TgPcDx|biels2_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
klem2.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
klem2_WI.TgPcDx|klem2_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
sleeper2_nm.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
sleeper2_nmc.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\clutter
pot_ground.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\foliage
pot_ground_WI.TgPcDx|pot_ground_Wi.TgPcDx	GermanLocal\scenery\foliage
bridge1.bin	Scenery\bridges
bridge1.GeoPcDx	Scenery\bridges
bridge1.TgPcDx	Scenery\bridges\textures
bridge1_WI.TgPcDx|bridge1_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\bridges\textures
bridge1b.TgPcDx	Scenery\bridges\textures
factory1_aban.bin|Factory1_aban.bin	Scenery\Factory1
Factory1_aban.GeoPcDx	Scenery\Factory1
fac01.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac01_WI.TgPcDx|fac01_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac02.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac02_WI.TgPcDx|fac02_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac03.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac03_WI.TgPcDx|fac03_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac04.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac04_WI.TgPcDx|fac04_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac05.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
fac05_WI.TgPcDx|fac05_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\Factory1\textures
hedge_leaves.TgPcDx	Scenery\graveyard
hedge_leaves_WI.TgPcDx|hedge_leaves_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\graveyard
hedge_twigs.TgPcDx	Scenery\graveyard
infill.GeoPcDx	Scenery\levelcrossing1
overweg01.TgPcDx	Scenery\levelcrossing1\textures
overweg01_WI.TgPcDx|overweg01_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\levelcrossing1\textures
beam.TgPcDx	Scenery\lights\textures
glow.TgPcDx	Scenery\lights\textures
tp_pole.GeoPcDx	Scenery\procedural3
tp_sp_line.bin	Scenery\procedural3
tp_wire.XSec	Scenery\procedural3
tp_pole.TgPcDx	Scenery\procedural3\textures
tp_pole_det.TgPcDx	Scenery\procedural3\textures
tp_pole_det_WI.TgPcDx|tp_pole_det_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\procedural3\textures
tp_pole_WI.TgPcDx|tp_pole_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\procedural3\textures
tp_wires.TgPcDx	Scenery\procedural3\textures
bedding.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
bedding2.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
bedding2_WI.TgPcDx|bedding2_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
bedding_WI.TgPcDx|bedding_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
detail.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
detail_WI.TgPcDx|detail_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\river2
river.bin	Scenery\river2
river1.GeoPcDx	Scenery\river2
river2.bin	Scenery\river2
river2.GeoPcDx	Scenery\river2
river3.bin	Scenery\river2
river3.GeoPcDx	Scenery\river2
goodshed1.bin	Scenery\warehouse
warehouse1.GeoPcDx	Scenery\warehouse
concrete.TgPcDx	Scenery\warehouse\textures
concrete_WI.TgPcDx|concrete_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\warehouse\textures
goodstore_trans.TgPcDx	Scenery\warehouse\textures
goodstore_trans_WI.TgPcDx|goodstore_trans_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\warehouse\textures
steen.TgPcDx	Scenery\warehouse\textures
terkdraad_test_begin_eind.bin	Scenery\wires
terkdraad_test_begin_eind.GeoPcDx	Scenery\wires
trekdraad_group.bin	Scenery\wires
trekdraad_midden_object.GeoPcDx	Scenery\wires
trekdraad_render2.XSec	Scenery\wires
railwire_main.TgPcDx	Scenery\wires\textures
railwire_main_concrete.TgPcDx	Scenery\wires\textures
railwire_main_concrete_WI.TgPcDx|railwire_main_concrete_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\wires\textures
railwire_main_WI.TgPcDx|railwire_main_Wi.TgPcDx	Scenery\wires\textures
railwire_wire.TgPcDx	Scenery\wires\textures
Shall I keep original SAD assets or modified comes with UKTS route ?

In particular, these differences are voluntary improvements ?

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:21 pm
by gptech
I imagine you'll find that the UKTS routes use the SAD assets from the various UKTS Freeware packs, which are exactly the same as those found in the stand alone releases of his assets. Whichever you use makes no odds, but as they're in different folder trees having duplicate copies does no real harm.

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:58 pm
by JLD95
Hi,

they are not a duplicate copies but altered or a previous version of SAD assets

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:00 pm
by gptech
JLD95 wrote:Hi,

they are not a duplicate copies but altered or a previous version of SAD assets

How do you know they're altered?

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:03 pm
by JLD95
I download SAD assets with link given by SAD: http://rail-sim.de/railsimnew/index.php ... for-ts2012 and I use winmerge to compare binary files

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:33 pm
by gptech
But no comparison of what the assets look like in the game?
Of course the .bin files will be different, to reflect the different paths and you'll probably see different time stamps on the folders and files.
If there has been any working of the textures for that particular route then yes, you could call them *new* files but they should also live in a dedicated folder to reflect that customisation .

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:45 pm
by JLD95
For example,

in UKTS31726: the size of file SAD\Scenery\wires\textures\railwire_wire.TgPcDx is 86 ko
and in original SAD asset, the size of file SAD\Scenery\wires\textures\railwire_wire.TgPcDx is 22ko

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:59 pm
by gptech
But still no comparison of how the assets look in the game.

Which asset calls for the railwire_wire.TgPcDx texture file?
Is the larger of the two actually named railwire_wire_nm.TgPcDx ?
Have you given the full paths there, does the UKTS one actually live in ..\Assets\UKTS_FP\<pack name>\ SAD\Scenery\wirestextures ?


Moot points really, as all of us are free to use whichever set of assets we prefer---as long as we're prepared to go through routes using assets from the set we haven't chosen and swap them for the ones we have installed.

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:41 pm
by gptech
Ok, one is a direct replacement of the other as they both want to live in ..\assets\SAD so there'd be no issue at all regarding duplication.

The railwire_wire.TgPcDx textures look like:

Image

the UKTS one on the right which is a bigger 'X' x 'Y' size which accounts for the different file sizes.

In game the UKTS one looks like:

Image

which to me looks no different to the SAD Altenburg version:

Image

though the latter version does produce more supporting posts along the loft. This could be due to my rushed install of the single asset rather than an issue with the UKTS asset, but I'd suggest sticking with the Altenburg version.


EDIT:

Quick test with the Factory1 asset
Altenburg:

Image

UKTS (GCR):

Image

Once again, no discernible difference; the difference in texture file sizes (as reported by Windows Explorer) is 1KB so nothing to get concerned about.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, as long as you have copies of both asset sets, or the installers, you can easily replace one for the other if you find inaccuracies/inconsistencies in any routes calling for them.

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:13 am
by JLD95
thank you gptech for your comparaison.

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:19 am
by markjudith
One thing I have noticed with the signalling wires shown above is that they are luminous at night now, when I first used them on my routes prior to TS 2015 they were not, also the wooden foot crossings suffer from this. Is it possible SAD may have upgraded some of his assets to eliminate this?

Mark

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:34 pm
by gptech
If the glow at night has only appeared since the upgrade to TS2015 it's doubtful SAD's done any revisions. Have you been investigating this with scenarios/routes using the new weather system?

Re: SAD assets and UKTS routes

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:02 pm
by markjudith
I have re downloaded the files from SAD and the luminosity has gone on both objects and work on either types of weather patterns so I guess the files have been changed at some point. Good news as I enjoy all SADs creations :D

Mark
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