South London Network merged with London to Brighton.

[stuart666]

That may be due to the way things are setup. You can only finalize a route on steam when it receives more than 30 votes. I guess its to stop the system being choked up with routes that dont work.

[danny3]

Well it has 170+ votes or ratings so i dont think it would be that, also you cant press the final button at all if you have less than 30.

[FoggyMorning]

Well it has 170+ votes or ratings so i dont think it would be that, also you cant press the final button at all if you have less than 30.

It seems to be a known issue with the interface between TS and Steam. It's discussed further here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... st35862551

[JustRight]

it could be that the tracks may have been tweaked around that area because it was extended further outwards, also for balham, if its coming out of Streatham Hill (I changed the length of platform 2 in the south london network because (so South London to Brighton will be the same) it was the wrong length in london to brighton) but might have also changed the numbers around too as they were labelled wrong (1 was 2 and 2 was 1 ).

Yes indeed. The Streatham Hill platforms have been renamed. I shall keep an eye out for them as well.

Thanks.

[JustRight]

Hi Danny,

One more question, if I may. Have the speed limits been changed on the South London to Brighton, particularly in the London Area, or elsewhere?

The reason I ask is that I am working on one of Richard Armstrong's scenarios which has quite a lot of closely timed AI traffic. I find that in the SL2B the scenario suffers from many blockages, and I just could not work out why. I have now looked closely at the starting and finishing times of many of the problem services, and in SL2B some of the AI trains can seem to arrive at their destinations up to seven minutes earlier than on L2B. No doubt this may be why I am finding lots of blockages, as this would mess up the expected timings of the scenario.

Thanks mate,
Trevor

[danny3]

Not drastically if any, at least none that i'm aware of? Speed signs have been placed or moved but that wouldn't affect scenarios in a great way though, but as far as i know no speeds have been changed, but as you are copying scenarios on to a route that might have had changes it might change things that the original author might not have planned for, some of the blockages might be because trains are going in front of others they aren't supposed to, so could get to places quicker than expected. (not saying that is the reason of course but one possible reason), To be fair though I did mention that scenarios might not work as expected unfortunately.

[JustRight]

To be fair though I did mention that scenarios might not work as expected unfortunately.

No problem with that mate. In no way am I 'blaming' you for the non-function of some of these scenarios.

Quite the opposite. I'm thrilled with the work you have done to merge these two routes. I have actually had a lot of success getting scenarios to run. But some may require more work than I have the experience to be able to fix.

All the best,
Trevor

[JustRight]

As it turns out the problem scenario I was battling with was fixed by providing specific waypoints on the services labelled as 'Blocked' or 'Blocker'. I loaded the scenario in London to Brighton and using the Timetable Editor took careful note of just which path the dispatcher had chosen for each service. Then went back to South London to Brighton and entered a number of additional waypoints on each of the problem services and that allowed everything to work together correctly.

It would seem that for some reason the dispatcher was having trouble selecting a valid path on SL2B, but with a few hints was able to work it all out.

Took me quite a while, but at least it works!

Cheers,
Trevor

[JustRight]

Hi Danny,

I'm not sure if you will see this, but I was wondering if you can tell me if there were any significant changes made around Norwood Junction.

I have a scenario (one from Just Trains called "JT 153 - Trial Service") which starts off at "Selhurst Dpt C Shed 3". From there it stops at "Norwood Jn P5", after which you change ends and tootle off toward East Croydon. Now on London to Brighton the dispatcher can path the train across to Norwood Jn P5 without any issue. But in South London to Brighton there is no way that it will do this. I have tried everything I can think of, but it simply will not provide a path across to P5. If I change the instruction to disallow reversing, then I get the error "Pathing failed. No valid route to destination. Not enough bi-directional/electrified track for required reversing manouevre"

Do you happen to know if the track layout has changed around Norwood Junction that would prevent pathing from the sheds to the platforms P4, P5 or P6?? I just don't know how to use the Route Editor to check for 'directionality' etc etc.

Many Thanks,
Trevor

[danny3]

I'll have look when i get the chance too, although the track north of Norwood would have changed a bit (for obvious reasons )

[JustRight]

I'll have look when i get the chance too, although the track north of Norwood would have changed a bit (for obvious reasons )

That would be great Danny, thanks

It might be something similar to what you found near Balham, a difficult to see piece of broken track.

[danny3]

I didn't find any broken track at Balham that was at South Croydon

[JustRight]

I didn't find any broken track at Balham that was at South Croydon

Oops, quite right

[JustRight]

Hi Danny,

I have another scenario starting near Norwood Junction that is also having similar pathing issues. This one is one of James Underwood's (Tubemad) excellent "LB Oddities" scenarios called "LB Oddities - Eastbourne Empties"

The player train starts off at "Selhurst Dpt Diesel Refuel 2". You then drive just beyond "Selhurst FP Reverse" and then throw the points and change ends to drive out via "Selhurst Dpt Coal Rd". The instruction requires you to stop at "Norwood Junction P4". In London to Brighton the dispatcher can path this without any problem, crossing the lines via the automatic point into P4.

However, on South London to Brighton there is no way to path the train directly to P4. Instead the dispatcher wants you to travel North up the line to just beyond Tulse Hill, at which point you can then reverse and return South to Norwood Junction P4. Crazy stuff!

Have you had any chance to look at the track layout and the points just south of Norwood Junction? Can you give any hints on how to look for, Broken Track, or incorrect Directionality??

Cheers, mate, and thanks,
Trevor

[danny3]

The track layout hasn't changed, when the South London network was being made there was a pass of the track directionality so that seems to have changed since London Brighton, however I have made the line from the depot to platform 4 at Norwood Junction Bi Directional. (to find this you can press space bar until you find the arrows, this will show you the track directionality (arrows pointing in the direction of the track, or blue with both directions to show bi directionality). Will be uploaded before the end of the day