Class 101/117/121 Pro sound released

[johnrossetti]

Mortified - I cant use this sound pack with my Class 101 MK1
Only drive Green 101's
Could I suggest that the AP Page states that MK1 is ng, not just what it WILL work with I would never have looked at the date 2012, I have no idea when I got it, or what with and would have not made the connection.

I do use the Green 111 may I suggest that No (111) IS included in the product photo with the other numbers it would have been more obvious to my sorry eyes
I am amazed at the fact there is even a difference between my 101 and 111 or 117
I take it this picture confirms which one I have
Many thanks, proceeding cautiously through yellows !
Cheers John

[markjudith]

I fully understand Richards commercial position regards the original 101's and can't praise this pack enough. I wonder though if there are any clever folk out there who may be able to work out how to apply these sounds to the old units in a basic form so at least we get better engine sounds, the same goes, more so, for the 'unmentionable' DMU's many of us have. It would be so nice to enjoy these models with even a basic sound upgrade. I have tried with my virtually non existent knowledge to make the units read the same files, by changing the engine .bin file to read the class 117 engine, cab, bogie & exhaust sounds but I can't get them to work, managed to do this with other loco's but not these....just not clever enough!

Mark

[markpullinger]

Hi Mark, try ticking the 117 provider box & clear blueprints.pak to see if that works.

[bristolian]

I fully understand Richards commercial position regards the original 101's and can't praise this pack enough. I wonder though if there are any clever folk out there who may be able to work out how to apply these sounds to the old units in a basic form so at least we get better engine sounds, the same goes, more so, for the 'unmentionable' DMU's many of us have. It would be so nice to enjoy these models with even a basic sound upgrade. I have tried with my virtually non existent knowledge to make the units read the same files, by changing the engine .bin file to read the class 117 engine, cab, bogie & exhaust sounds but I can't get them to work, managed to do this with other loco's but not these....just not clever enough!

Mark

Hello Mark,

After I altered the then-default Class 101 to use sounds that I'd recorded from a real Class 117 journey on the main line, I decided to try adding them to the 'unmentionable' items.

I ended up by copying the whole of the relevant Class 101 bin files, substituting with the Class 101 references with those of the unmentionable for the model shape references etc, and trying that. Everything seemed to work, bar the Driver - Guard acknowledgement buzzer...

Worth a try perhaps?.

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.

[markjudith]

Hi Mark
Yep ticked the product provider, cleared cache etc but no joy, this is an extract of the entry for engine sound I changed on the non RSC class 117

<Provider d:type="cDeltaString">RSC</Provider>
<Product d:type="cDeltaString">Class117Pack01</Product>
</iBlueprintLibrary-cBlueprintSetID>
</BlueprintSetID>
<BlueprintID d:type="cDeltaString">Audio\RailVehicles\Diesel\Class 117\Class 117 Engine Sound.xml</BlueprintID>
</iBlueprintLibrary-cAbsoluteBlueprintID>


That file in turn points to: Assets\AP\C101P\Audio\RailVehicles\Class 101 Engine.proxybin which inturn reads the .dav files in the Audio folder. I think!

I guess your idea is worth a go, thanks Bob.

Mark

[JustRight]

Hi again everyone,

I have been searching, without success I might add, for the Blueprint Control item or script that is causing this crazy upside down and odd numeric values of the HUD gear control on the 'standard' version of the DMU's.

Do any of you that know about the building of assets and LUA scripting have any suggestion of just where I might look to find the reasoning behind this odd gear display on the standard versions of these units? On the AP versions the Blueprints are setup such that the gear controller on the HUD does not display at all! Surely that can't be the only answer?

I know Richard has now said that the Sound Pack is NOT compatible with driving using the HUD. I wish that had been made clear at the outset.

Anyway, is there anyone out there that understands these things?

Thanks,
Trevor

[chrisonline]

To be fair, Richard didn't say in his email to me that the AP sound pack is "not compatible with the HUD", just that nothing can be done (per his scripting guy) to correct the issue of displaying the wrong gear number that we are discussing. The HUD deliberately omits the gears altogether for the advanced AP-variant because that is the very idea - it's advanced, equivalent of, say, Smokebox's non-HUD version of the Lima Consolidation!

The reversal of the gears so that the action is N-4-3-2-1 is deliberate, and I get that and am comfortable with it - as it more correctly reflects real-life and the actual gear changer - i.e 4th/Coast is next to Neutral - but the result of that change apparently dictates the reversal of the "gear number" indicator on the HUD. That's the bit I can't understand.

I also have looked all through the files and can't see anything to adjust. I have been able to change the order of the gears back (by reversing the order they appear in the code) and the corresponding switch of E and SHIFT-E to move up and down a gear (via the InputMapper) - the result is that the gears revert to the old N-1-2-3-4 order but display the right gear number (albeit 100, 200 instead of 1, 2) . . . but the tachometer and engine revs sound remain the wrong way round (i.e 4th gear screams with high revs, and 1st gear rumbles low!). So I have abandoned that idea as well.

Sadly I've had to give up on it, but I still refuse to believe that it couldn't be coded differently to produce "N-4-3-2-1" gears that show the correct gear number and work parallel with rev sound and tachometer.

Chris

[JustRight]

Hi Chris,

I agree with all you said. I also got the gear changer to reverse the values, but with similar unsatisfactory results.

Actually Richard has said that this pack is not compatible with the F4 HUD. Unfortunately it is on Facebook, which I do not use, but at least the AP pages are readable without having to sign on.
https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpower ... comments=2

Have a look at the comment by "Andrew Paton" and expand the 'Replies'.

Looks like we are between a rock and a hard place

[deltic009]

...but I still refuse to believe that it couldn't be coded differently to produce "N-4-3-2-1" gears that show the correct gear number and work parallel with rev sound and tachometer.

Chris

The chap that does a lot of scripting work for AP is very very knowledgeable in terms of engineering and scripting itself, this isn't the kind of thing that they would foist on people for fun. If that's the way they say it is safe to assume there's been a good effort made to make it work.

[JustRight]

...but I still refuse to believe that it couldn't be coded differently to produce "N-4-3-2-1" gears that show the correct gear number and work parallel with rev sound and tachometer.

Chris

The chap that does a lot of scripting work for AP is very very knowledgeable in terms of engineering and scripting itself, this isn't the kind of thing that they would foist on people for fun. If that's the way they say it is safe to assume there's been a good effort made to make it work.

Thanks Matthew, I have no idea who did the scripting. (There is some clever stuff in there that's for sure) So as you say, it seems that we are stuck with it as it could not be done any differently.

Just a shame that they were not able to leave the 'default' versions using the original scripting and Engine Simulation whilst making use of the new sounds, and kept the 'Advanced' behavior for the AP versions.

Anyway, I paid my money and took my chance. Still a good sound pack though.

[deltic009]

With my brief insight to scripting coming from the Class 52 exhaust, it isn't as simple to see the sounds, simulation and the scripting as entirely seperate entities.

It's entirely possible that the changes in the simulation file have been made in a way to purposely facilitate the better implementation of sounds and without it the sounds would not work. The same goes for scripting, there's some crazy things you seem to be able to get done with it and that can directly affect other things.

[chrisonline]

...but I still refuse to believe that it couldn't be coded differently to produce "N-4-3-2-1" gears that show the correct gear number and work parallel with rev sound and tachometer.

The chap that does a lot of scripting work for AP is very very knowledgeable in terms of engineering and scripting itself, this isn't the kind of thing that they would foist on people for fun. If that's the way they say it is safe to assume there's been a good effort made to make it work.

Agreed. I never doubted this, and when I say "I don't believe . . ", I'm not really challenging AP or the scripting guy, more the "powers above" to come up with something, LOL! Given Richard Armstrong's attention to detail and accuracy, I am sure he is as irritated by it as me! Interestingly, there's only a handfull of us talking about it . . so presumably many either haven't noticed, or don't care . . . or don't have the OCD tendencies that I live with

Chris

[theorganist]

...but I still refuse to believe that it couldn't be coded differently to produce "N-4-3-2-1" gears that show the correct gear number and work parallel with rev sound and tachometer.

The chap that does a lot of scripting work for AP is very very knowledgeable in terms of engineering and scripting itself, this isn't the kind of thing that they would foist on people for fun. If that's the way they say it is safe to assume there's been a good effort made to make it work.

Agreed. I never doubted this, and when I say "I don't believe . . ", I'm not really challenging AP or the scripting guy, more the "powers above" to come up with something, LOL! Given Richard Armstrong's attention to detail and accuracy, I am sure he is as irritated by it as me! Interestingly, there's only a handfull of us talking about it . . so presumably many either haven't noticed, or don't care . . . or don't have the OCD tendencies that I live with

Chris

I have the sound pack and have had no issues driving the DMU's affected with it. I did find at first I was trying to pull away in neutral but after I realised what I was doing wrong I quickly got used to it. I try and avoid the F4 display anyway as I find it too intrusive and often drive with the keyboard.

I think the pack is fantastic and have been waiting for this for some time as the DMU sounds are pretty poor compared to other releases.

My only complaint I suppose is that it is not compatible with the original class 101 pack.

Peter

[AndyUK]

..My only complaint I suppose is that it is not compatible with the original class 101 pack.

Anyone wanting a much more realistic driving experience for the original pack might want to try linuxbot's modded version here: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1558724. It doesn't have the gear control mod like the AP version, nor the AP sounds (obviously!), but it does have a few plus points over the AP physics changes:

1. It models the two pipe vacuum system.
2. Has a slightly more convincing relationship between the tacho and road speed - the tacho in the AP version tends to jump around a bit especially in 3rd & 4th gears.
3. You can rev the engines with the gear selector in neutral which coupled with no. 1 allows you to build up the high side vacuum more quickly.

Andy L

[theorganist]

Many thanks Andy, I will try that modification.

Peter