DTG class 303 EMU

[ihavenonamenoreallyidont]

Just as ensuring the availability of old stock is a minus point then?

Nothing wrong with making old stock available. All for it.

My comment was tongue in cheek that we're apparently at the stage of listing 'no new faults' as a benefit.

[VeraTheMage]

The poor attention to sounds and the strange lighting used on the tail-lights/destination display have put me off purchasing this, at least until a sale comes on. Reading the manual, it doesn't list the destinations available to it in the editor either, which always saved a few seconds. To counterpoint the negatives, I do like the addition of a passenger view and the overhauled textures - the cab view and dials in particular look very different.

It's a pity it doesn't come with all the liveries previously available though. The "one skin, rest on marketplace perhaps" is the one policy of DTG's re-released DLC I don't like. It does keep our beloved reskinners in work though.

[rfletcher72]

Reading the manual, it doesn't list the destinations available to it in the editor either, which always saved a few seconds.

The destinations are listed on page 7 of the manual,

[k3v1n989a813]

It's pushing the boundaries when DTG purposely removed the liveries just to earn some extra money on the Marketplace.

[gptech]

It's pushing the boundaries when DTG purposely removed the liveries just to earn some extra money on the Marketplace.

And you're in full knowledge of DTGs business plan, know all the ins-and-outs of the deal they struck with the original producer of the model?
As the original was 16 quid, that leave those who'd like the other liveries with 8 quid to play with to retain parity; I'm sure a couple of reskins won't cost that in the marketplace.
Of course, you could always produce your own reskins, at absolutely no cost.

[k3v1n989a813]

Of course, you could always produce your own reskins, at absolutely no cost.

Even though I do make reskins, there are people who don't know how to produce reskins, or are just casual users that don't know how to install reskins.
The description of the DLC heavily implies that it relies on Workshop for most of it's scenarios. Since there is only 1 livery, a casual user that may not have experience and would just want to play a good simulator may not know how to install a reskin that requires that certain Workshop scenario.

[gptech]

may not know how to install a reskin that requires that certain Workshop scenario.

That makes no sense, a reskin doesn't need a scenario to be installable but I get your point. Of course DTG are, and this may be a shock, a business with the intent to make money sothey're going to focus on the items they produce or publish. If they directed people to sites such as this that would imply their on-going support if problems arose from the installation of unofficial routes, assets or modifications. As they're undoubtedly poor at supporting their own stuff what kind of mess do you think that would cause?

[VeraTheMage]

Reading the manual, it doesn't list the destinations available to it in the editor either, which always saved a few seconds.

The destinations are listed on page 7 of the manual,

The manuallinked from the Steam storepage doesn't list destinations (Steam do advise this to be identical to the manual included with the product for support parity reasons), so it seems we're both right - or both wrong if you're a glass half-empty sort of person.

[chrisonline]

I can't believe the ongoing, circuitous negativity here.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT.

SIMPLE. OK??

BTW, in my opinion the textures are significantly improved. The original version in this livery was far too dark, maybe dull would be a better word.

[37114]

I can't believe the ongoing, circuitous negativity here.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT.

SIMPLE. OK??

BTW, in my opinion the textures are significantly improved. The original version in this livery was far too dark, maybe dull would be a better word.

True but none the less people are entitled to their opinions regardless of whether they're positive or negative.

[msmith4000]

I dont actually mind paying a little extra on market place for extra liveries - problem is so far the extra liveries are slow to appear if at for many dlc packs. Hopefully dtg will start producing more this year.

[TheTazman]

I think that I always approach new trains with an air of caution and having just watched a video on youtube its not a surprise to hear the sounds are frankly dreadful. The bar is not exactly be raised on this I would also like to see step in to correct the poor sounds, poor clank sounds ... poor everything you can think of sound-wise anyway. I think you guys catch the drift.

Had a play, and I'm sure other users will agree, that a lot more could have been done to bring this up to spec.

Good points include the addition of an interior view, albeit a camera positioned in the body shell. The exterior is quite nice.

But a few points they really shouldn't have missed out on:
- no door open/close sounds
- no bogie rumble sound
- I would question the motor sounds
- old Railworks headlight scripting

My only hope now is that in time, someone like AP can come up with a compromise hybrid sound pack.

[DocklandsProject]

Are there any 303 units still running in preservation? Off the top of my head I don't think there are, which donks an improved sound pack on the nut. I very much like the look of this model as all 1960 trains have a certain appeal to me, but good sound representation is very important to my enjoyment of the sim so might pick it up in a sale for static scenery to add flavour to a scenario but I wouldn't enjoy driving it like that. Sorry for being negative, just thinking out loud.

[deltic009]

Are there any 303 units still running in preservation? Off the top of my head I don't think there are, which donks an improved sound pack on the nut. I very much like the look of this model as all 1960 trains have a certain appeal to me, but good sound representation is very important to my enjoyment of the sim so might pick it up in a sale for static scenery to add flavour to a scenario but I wouldn't enjoy driving it like that. Sorry for being negative, just thinking out loud.

If any of you have the AP class 42x soundpack there's a fairly straightforward work around and the method will avoid any extra provider ticks.

Start by extracting the 303assets.ap file and then finding out what name the sound config files have, you can have them all within RailVehicles, but sometimes there's one in Railnetwork too.

Then navigate to your Ap Class 421 sound pack, duplicate the sound config file(s) from there and paste them into the locations of the Class 303 sound config files. Rename the original sound configs to end with an additional .bak or similar and then rename the Class 421 sound config files to the original name of the Class 303 sound config files.

This means the config is being found in the same place, but it is directing the sim to use the other files referenced in the Class 421 config. I have done this with the myriad combinations of Mk1 and 2 I've got through Steam and the sounds included with the former digital traction carriages.

[gptech]

Time for a game.... have a good look at the pantograph trailer and see if you can find the as un-yet noted *error*.
A couple of tips:
It's not the panto.
It's something that you don't need reference photos or any knowledge of the prototype to identify.