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I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

wills44422 wrote:I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

Well yeah "duh"............so did the original.

rfletcher72 wrote:

gptech wrote:Now this is good news....as far as I'm concerned it'd reskin nicely to be a class 310 stand-in (AM10 for the older readers ) which I'm sure we could find a home for.

Yes, the fact some migrated south to Longsight and gained GMPTE livery in the process, means they are appropriate for a wider area than some may realise. I once saw one at New Street for instance.

Ideal for the Cornbrook turnback ,

Regards,

The class 303's had sliding doors and were only ever 3 car units without a toilet whereas the 310's were four car units with slam doors and a toilet compartment! A GMPTE version would be very welcome.

Peter

xguerra wrote:

wills44422 wrote:I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

Well yeah "duh"............so did the original.

And Glasgow Blue Train, BR Blue, BR Blue/Grey, GMPTE, Strathclyde PTE and Strathclyde Crimson and Cream!

Peter

theorganist wrote:And Glasgow Blue Train, BR Blue, BR Blue/Grey, GMPTE, Strathclyde PTE and Strathclyde Crimson and Cream!

Peter

And NSE ,

Regards,

xguerra wrote:

wills44422 wrote:I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

Well yeah "duh"............so did the original.

Was that really called for?

theorganist wrote:

xguerra wrote:

wills44422 wrote:I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

Well yeah "duh"............so did the original.

And Glasgow Blue Train, BR Blue, BR Blue/Grey, GMPTE, Strathclyde PTE and Strathclyde Crimson and Cream!

Peter

It was CARMINE and Cream.

I know, I re-skinned enough variants of the 303s!


In real life, nothing will ever beat the good old days of the BR Blue/Blue Grey variants prior to refurbishment when you could sit in the first row of seats and see down the line. (Notice I don't mention the Cally Blue version -- I'm not that old! )

I hope whomever is doing the 303s will also consider the 311s seeing as they were almost identical.

Would love to see this in the unrefurbished version as well!

theorganist wrote:The class 303's had sliding doors and were only ever 3 car units without a toilet whereas the 310's were four car units with slam doors and a toilet compartment!

Yeah, so it'd make a 'stand in' but not a 100% accurate model---in much the same way as a suitably reskinned class 170 makes a 'stand in' for a class 185. You pass an approaching something at a closing speed of around 150mph and you won't notice the doors are *wrong*, or whether the loo is occupied. (probably dead easy to produce an opaque glass decal for the loo window anyway, to make it look a wee (pun intended ) bit more accurate)

gptech wrote:
(probably dead easy to produce an opaque glass decal for the loo window anyway, to make it look a wee (pun intended ) bit more accurate)

I wouldn't pooh pooh your idea.

Regards,

Len

gptech wrote:

theorganist wrote:The class 303's had sliding doors and were only ever 3 car units without a toilet whereas the 310's were four car units with slam doors and a toilet compartment!

Yeah, so it'd make a 'stand in' but not a 100% accurate model---in much the same way as a suitably reskinned class 170 makes a 'stand in' for a class 185. You pass an approaching something at a closing speed of around 150mph and you won't notice the doors are *wrong*, or whether the loo is occupied. (probably dead easy to produce an opaque glass decal for the loo window anyway, to make it look a wee (pun intended ) bit more accurate)

So you are wizzing past at a closing speed of around 150 mph and you are not going to notice the unit has sliding doors instead of slam doors but you are going to notice the lack of a Loo ?

That is sort of like a 1980's scenario for the Brighton line and not noticing the train going past has Siding Doors instead of Slam Doors.
So what route could you use the 303 (vice 310) on and still match the rest of the trains ?

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And Glasgow Blue Train, BR Blue, BR Blue/Grey, GMPTE, Strathclyde PTE and Strathclyde Crimson and Cream!

Peter[/quote]

It was CARMINE and Cream.

I know, I re-skinned enough variants of the 303s!


In real life, nothing will ever beat the good old days of the BR Blue/Blue Grey variants prior to refurbishment when you could sit in the first row of seats and see down the line. (Notice I don't mention the Cally Blue version -- I'm not that old! )

I hope whomever is doing the 303s will also consider the 311s seeing as they were almost identical.[/quote]

Oops sorry I stand corrected .

Peter

RobertM wrote:

xguerra wrote:

wills44422 wrote:I think the 303 will be coming in Strathclyde livery.

Well yeah "duh"............so did the original.

Was that really called for?

I agree, that was the point I was trying to make. I suspect it may well come in the original Strathclyde livery but it is by no means a given!

Peter

gptech wrote:

theorganist wrote:The class 303's had sliding doors and were only ever 3 car units without a toilet whereas the 310's were four car units with slam doors and a toilet compartment!

Yeah, so it'd make a 'stand in' but not a 100% accurate model---in much the same way as a suitably reskinned class 170 makes a 'stand in' for a class 185. You pass an approaching something at a closing speed of around 150mph and you won't notice the doors are *wrong*, or whether the loo is occupied. (probably dead easy to produce an opaque glass decal for the loo window anyway, to make it look a wee (pun intended ) bit more accurate)

I am all for some modellers licence but for me personally using a 303 vice a class 310 would be pushing the boundaries of realism too far! At least a 170 looks vaguely like a 185. I can't see anything in the 303 which would convince me it could be a 310.

However, that is only my personal view and each to their own. If it works for you then great, it wasn't a criticism.

Peter

749006 wrote:So you are wizzing past at a closing speed of around 150 mph and you are not going to notice the unit has sliding doors instead of slam doors but you are going to notice the lack of a Loo ?

No, that's why I used the words "or" and "whether"

gptech wrote:and you won't notice the doors are *wrong*, or whether the loo is occupied.

The bit about the loo window was just toooooo tempting not to use the pun

749006 wrote:So what route could you use the 303 (vice 310) on and still match the rest of the trains

Depends how much a stickler for accuracy you are, but the London - Birmigham route springs to mind, if yo have a fairly big 'artistic licence' you could stick one in Manchester Piccadilly on the Woodhead route, if you just don't give a damn about what anybody else thinks a run from London to Brighton in one might be fun.