RSC Voyager in development

[gptech]

Hi, to be fair,the usual posters immediately jump to DTG,s defence based on the same WIP photograph,so it works both ways

I'd argue that the usual posters call for a little sanity, rather than a defence of any action RTG may have taken. There's a world of difference between "it won't be as good as...." and "but you can't tell from a single photo, which is a WIP shot anyway"
The former states as fact something we don't know, whilst the latter turns it's attention on the evidence we can all see.

[Traveller54]

DTG have a liscense agreement in place with CrossCountry so I'm not surprised by this development, I'm surprised it's taken them this long. However saying that, it's probably the amount of time they need to research their next UK route which I suspect with be along CrossCountry territory and I would guess the 220 will be included with this new UK route.

So there won't be Virgin sets then?

[deltic009]

DTG have a liscense agreement in place with CrossCountry so I'm not surprised by this development, I'm surprised it's taken them this long. However saying that, it's probably the amount of time they need to research their next UK route which I suspect with be along CrossCountry territory and I would guess the 220 will be included with this new UK route.

So there won't be Virgin sets then?

Perhaps a Marketplace version will manifest later, being as the two WCML routes would be appropriate.

[220389]

DTG have a liscense agreement in place with CrossCountry so I'm not surprised by this development, I'm surprised it's taken them this long. However saying that, it's probably the amount of time they need to research their next UK route which I suspect with be along CrossCountry territory and I would guess the 220 will be included with this new UK route.

So there won't be Virgin sets then?

Perhaps a Marketplace version will manifest later, being as the two WCML routes would be appropriate.

Very Possible, although for most of the WCML we would have the wrong Voyager for . Only Carstairs - Glasgow you normally see 220s.

[davejc64]

It will be nice to have a version that is compatible with steam workshop scenarios.

[xguerra]

[Traveller54]

Shame they are only doing a 220 and not a 221 also

[davep]

And, I would guess, just the one livery. So another expensive toy.

[david1]

People are quick to slate DTG like myself, but on the other hand people are very quick to jump to there defence saying wait and see. Lets look at what DTG normally produce there class 321 is not a patch on AP/Waggonz. DTG knock out production line products which is good if there is no alternative but if there is a better one then they just leave themselves open to complaints, if you could buy a Jag for a couple of grand more than a ford focus then ford would not sell many. We don't need to see the finished product to know that it wont be as good as the JT version unless it is there`s. Like the GA class 90.

There are lots of other trains left to make where people that will buy this, would buy something else, plus people that do not buy this because they already have it would also buy something else I would buy 175,180 or 185

[rfletcher72]

People are quick to slate DTG like myself, but on the other hand people are very quick to jump to there defence saying wait and see. Lets look at what DTG normally produce there class 321 is not a patch on AP/Waggonz. DTG knock out production line products which is good if there is no alternative but if there is a better one then they just leave themselves open to complaints, if you could buy a Jag for a couple of grand more than a ford focus then ford would not sell many. We don't need to see the finished product to know that it wont be as good as the JT version unless it is there`s. Like the GA class 90.

There are lots of other trains left to make where people that will buy this, would buy something else, plus people that do not buy this because they already have it would also buy something else I would buy 175,180 or 185

I do not feel that suggesting a 'wait and see' approach can be neatly packaged as always 'jumping' to DG's defense. I think if someone is to be able to form a reasoned opinion of anything, I think such an approach is common sense. We have seen 3 WIP screenshots so far and no other 'meat on the bones', yet many who comment seem to know otherwise.

One point I will make though which I have made elsewhere, if this announcement had been one whereby JT stated they had DLC in the pipeline that was already available from DG via Steam, you wouldn't be able to shift on here for people falling over themselves to congratulate them. 3 different manifestations of a certain class of BR Standard? Duplication is fine it would seem, unless of course you are DG.

Regards,

[Merlin75]

Until there is a 221 and Virgin repaints aswell I'll be giving this a miss. But for those that like to upload to workshop this could be handy.

[gswindale]

I really can't see what all the fuss is about!

The two products are aimed at different markets.

Just Trains models whilst they have all the "nice" features that make things more realistic are not necessarily accessible to all users for various reasons. I have up with the 153 model as it took me too long to follow how to actually start it.

I only have a limited amount of time and if I'm too enjoy my train driving experience then I want to be able to get in and go.

I accept that other people may want as much realism as possible, so I say let us have both models with differing control setups.

I seem to recall that back in the old days; different developers created their own versions of models for MSTS and I certainly don't remember them being slated for creating something that somebody else had already done even when there was likely to be practically no difference between how they performed.

[gptech]

DTG knock out production line products which is good if there is no alternative but if there is a better one then they just leave themselves open to complaints

What is there to complain about if you have the choice to buy a *better* version?

Of course the definition of *better* is very much a personal thing, would a less advanced, less scripted and probably less resource hungry version be *better* as AI stock in the eyes of scenario writers?
Would a simpler version be more suitable for those, who through circumstances, can't get to grips with the advanced model and accordingly fit their idea of *better*?

if you could buy a Jag for a couple of grand more than a ford focus then ford would not sell many

Nice argument, but would you care to follow it through and produce some figures for the running, maintenance and insurance costs? (TCO over the life of the car would be nice)
A Jag would probably be more luxurious than a Ford Focus, though I'd quite like one of these...

[VeraTheMage]

More choice is a good thing I'd say. After all, it is a choice whether one purchases it at the end of the day. It's a pity CrossCountry is likely to only be the one livery. I wouldn't mind unlicensed liveries to pad out the pack, similar to S9BL's 390... great fun creating Let's Pretend alternate history scenarios up the ECML with the IC and GNER liveries

Off-topic, but as someone who travels on VT's Voyagers more often than XC's, it's very strange seeing the front without the plate for the shield.

[Traveller54]

Can I put this to the vote?

How many users purchase a model to actually drive - or do they just buy them for AI purposes?