Thompson interactive. WHR coming soon

[DavidVI]

Basically no commercial/payware scenarios

[tnleeuw01]

Basically no commercial/payware scenarios

Yep. Nor soundpacks. Unless you have their written consent.

[dp123]

I'm sorely disappointed at this. AP, for example, would do a wonderful job with scenarios on this route, scenarios I am more than happy to pay for. I'm paying for their time, effort and work put into creating the scenarios, I've already paid for the developers work (and thus the money fed back to DTG) on the route.

The idea that a developer can potentially dictate what end users do with their own money through EULA restrictions isn't one I'm comfortable with. Especially when the rationale is a third party is making money from it, and this money doesn't potentially see the inside of "The System".

[gptech]

Not a draconian stipulation though, is it?

The reason for these new terms is the large number of new organisations and groups that keep appearing trying to make a “fast buck” off the back of other’s hard efforts (including our own).

That implies that any long established purveyor of sound packs and/or scenarios would have little bother securing the right to produce additions/enhancements for the route.

[749006]

Not a draconian stipulation though, is it?

The reason for these new terms is the large number of new organisations and groups that keep appearing trying to make a “fast buck” off the back of other’s hard efforts (including our own).

That implies that any long established purveyor of sound packs and/or scenarios would have little bother securing the right to produce additions/enhancements for the route.

From the previous page

11.2 Commercial Add-ons and Scenario Packs
Thomson Interactive Ltd. Do not allow the development or sale of any commercial add-ons or associated products including but not limited to:
- Scenario Packs
- Route Enhancement Patches
- Audio Enhancement Packs
If you are interested in working with us please contact us through our web site.

From that Richard at AP could possibly have a problem.

[gptech]

From the previous page

11.2 Commercial Add-ons and Scenario PacksThomson Interactive Ltd. Do not allow the development or sale of any commercial add-ons or associated products including but not limited to:- Scenario Packs- Route Enhancement Patches- Audio Enhancement PacksIf you are interested in working with us please contact us through our web site.

From that Richard at AP could possibly have a problem.

Possibly, but a dialogue is encouraged...

If you are interested in working with us please contact us through our web site.

Just out of interest, as I haven't got the route---does the supplied stock (just the 37 and Mk1 coaches?) need a soundpack?

[PaulH2]

Just out of interest, as I haven't got the route---does the supplied stock (just the 37 and Mk1 coaches?) need a soundpack?

Just my personal opinion of course, but yes and no. The 37 is pretty good, certainly one of the best offerings from DTG, perhaps just a little quiet and seems to lack track running sounds and brake rubbing sounds. Overall, very good though, so more tweaks than needing a sound pack per-se.

The Mk 1 coach sounds are standard fare, so track joint sounds (not as bad as they used to be but not great), very quiet track running sounds (really only audible from the passenger view), no guard's whistle when the doors close, so I think they would very much benefit from a sound pack (or application of the existing AP Mk 1 pack via RW_Tools) especially if you use the external views much.

External (ambient) sounds on the route are superb with for example different birds singing appropriate to the areas (seagulls by the coast but not further inland for example).

Paul

[pjt1974]

I all honesty about commercial addons for the route, I think even Richard would be hard pushed to create an interesting and varied scenario pack for it. If I remember rightly he admitted the same with the Riviera Line and I think he did quite a good job considering that most services on that route are the same as the one that went an hour before. Scenario's for the WHL would be very limited. Even if a pack was produced the replicate both BR Blue and modern day, the only real change in the services would be the type of traction. You may aswell just run a quickdrive.

[37114]

Just out of interest, as I haven't got the route---does the supplied stock (just the 37 and Mk1 coaches?) need a soundpack?

Just my personal opinion of course, but yes and no. The 37 is pretty good, certainly one of the best offerings from DTG, perhaps just a little quiet and seems to lack track running sounds and brake rubbing sounds. Overall, very good though, so more tweaks than needing a sound pack per-se.

The Mk 1 coach sounds are standard fare, so track joint sounds (not as bad as they used to be but not great), very quiet track running sounds (really only audible from the passenger view), no guard's whistle when the doors close, so I think they would very much benefit from a sound pack (or application of the existing AP Mk 1 pack via RW_Tools) especially if you use the external views much.

External (ambient) sounds on the route are superb with for example different birds singing appropriate to the areas (seagulls by the coast but not further inland for example).

Paul

Just my opinion of course but the 37 is the best sounding thing ever for the sim. A lot better overall than the AP sound pack (although the in-cab sound is more accurate on that, the sound on this is more what you'd get externally but that's a good thing if you like the thrash and boy do you get the thrash ) but I agree the stock would benefit from the AP treatment.

[msmith4000]

It is all very well DTG imposing restrictions on commercial enhancements for their work, however I would say they have themselves to blame for there being a market for 3rd party enhancent packs in ghe first place. Addons released with very poor sound sets or incorrect sound sets because they are aliased to another pack, often with only one livery and with very basic scenarios make an environment in which companies such as AP can survive, and it appears, do very well out of it. I notice AP are now VAT registered indicating a very healthy turnover indeed. Helped of course by branching out to release rolling stock, but lets not forgot what gave Richard the platform to start from and that was enhancement packs.

Encourging though is the fact that DTG do seem to listened to complaints and are themselves driving up their own standards. Sounds have greatly proved on most new DLC and the new cl37 is further evidence of this. I note especially improvements in US locomotive sounds as well which were awful in railworks days.
That withsaid there is still lots of room improvement.If it was not for the likes of AP sound packs I would not have bought as much as I have possibly even abondoning the simulator altogether.Dtg should note this. I dont think we are at a point yet where the DLC on Steam is of a quality that they've would not benefit from an enhancement pack. DTG should just contract Richard to do all their sounds and that way they are happy and we are happy and AP too as they get money for every pack sold. DTG add on 4 or 5 quid per pack. They get all those fivers that go straight into AP's paypal account and we all get top notch sounds out of the box and we wont get into the silly situation were DTG get paranoid that 3rd party developers are eating into their profit and start issuing ULEA agreements. Only lawyers profit from these certainly not the customer who may shell out for DLC with rubbish sounds which will never be sorted out due to the Eula. Or perhapes a locomotive which will only ever be available in one livery. DTG forgetting again the customer should have priority but yet again their own interests come first. It is just as we ll we are here to remind them regularly!

[tnleeuw01]

It is all very well DTG imposing restrictions on commercial enhancements for their work

Please note that this restriction, on this route, is imposed by the route developer, Thomson Interactive.

Not by DTG.

Cheers,

--Tim

[gptech]

Hell Tim, since when has something not being down to RSC/DTG stopped folk blaming them for it?

[tnleeuw01]

Hell Tim, since when has something not being down to RSC/DTG stopped folk blaming them for it?

Yeah I know.

Still, I feel I should put some things right from time to time

[lenfish]

"the large number of new organisations and groups that keep appearing trying to make a “fast buck” off the back of other’s hard efforts (including our own)."
That line could almost have been written by someone else-most of you will know who I mean!

Regards,

Len

[Drogba11CFC]

Not a draconian stipulation though, is it?

The reason for these new terms is the large number of new organisations and groups that keep appearing trying to make a “fast buck” off the back of other’s hard efforts (including our own).

That implies that any long established purveyor of sound packs and/or scenarios would have little bother securing the right to produce additions/enhancements for the route.

From the previous page

11.2 Commercial Add-ons and Scenario Packs
Thomson Interactive Ltd. Do not allow the development or sale of any commercial add-ons or associated products including but not limited to:
- Scenario Packs
- Route Enhancement Patches
- Audio Enhancement Packs
If you are interested in working with us please contact us through our web site.

From that Richard at AP could possibly have a problem.

He did create 2 scenario packs for Thomson's E-G route.