Brakes of JT Voyager Adv seems have a low braking force

[JLD95]

Thankx Dave for this new fix

[kennymac]

I got in touch with JT a while back about this issue. Sent them links to the correspondance on here and also to the fix in the library. Asked them if they could issue an upgrade on their site. Their answer was " Braking force is prototypical, so no fix needed" Perhaps if more people contact them they might do something about it. Certainly stops me running any scenarios with this unit.
Anyway thank you for the revised file, will download it net week and see how I get on.

Kenny.

[smartie38]

I got in touch with JT a while back about this issue. Sent them links to the correspondance on here and also to the fix in the library. Asked them if they could issue an upgrade on their site. Their answer was " Braking force is prototypical, so no fix needed" Perhaps if more people contact them they might do something about it. Certainly stops me running any scenarios with this unit.
Anyway thank you for the revised file, will download it net week and see how I get on.

Kenny.

Hmm, was the person who responded to you having a laugh or something, Prototypical the brakes certainly aren't! lol. The voyager has a stopping distance of 400m at full braking, 350m with emergency braking, those stats are from 60 mph.

400m is just shy under 0.25 miles, let's see justtrains get their voyager unit to stop before a signal if they apply full braking that distance from it while travelling at 60 mph.

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[rkk01]

I'm going to have to have a play with the Voyager - to check that what I'm saying isn't totally out of whack, BUT...

IIRC if I used the brakes in a certain manner, they were much more effective...?

[smartie38]

I got in touch with JT a while back about this issue. Sent them links to the correspondance on here and also to the fix in the library. Asked them if they could issue an upgrade on their site. Their answer was " Braking force is prototypical, so no fix needed" Perhaps if more people contact them they might do something about it. Certainly stops me running any scenarios with this unit.
Anyway thank you for the revised file, will download it net week and see how I get on.

Kenny.

From what I hear from someone who has contacted JT about this issue recently, they had real life voyager drivers test their model out & according to those real life drivers, the braking is fine, yeah ok then! I've edited the simulation file myself anyway to match the 400m/350m braking performance from 60mph.

[DaveDewhurst]

If anybody downloaded the mod I posted earlier in the thread, have you still got a copy of it,
Rapidshare wanted to start charging for hosting so I removed all my stuff from there and this got lost in the process.

Dave

[lenfish]

These brakes seem pretty good!
http://www.youtube.com/v/owmq5q67u_s

Regards,

Len

[tubemad]

From what I hear from someone who has contacted JT about this issue recently, they had real life voyager drivers test their model out & according to those real life drivers, the braking is fine, yeah ok then! I've edited the simulation file myself anyway to match the 400m/350m braking performance from 60mph.

Yeah I'd like to know if the drivers were Voyager drivers or just got a different train altogether to test

Being near Bristol, I've done a lot of XC services, most the time they are pretty good at throwing it into Bristol Parkway and coming to a comfortable stop. On RailWorks, you'd need to start braking at (or before) Filton Abbey Wood on high braking.

I haven't driven the Voyager round the SCEML for ages, done it once but I can't enjoy it, braking 5 miles in advance for a station just to be sure I can stop there, overspeeding round curves because I can't slow down in time etc

[secludedsfx]

It's nice to see so many using my mod of the brakes for the voyager and I'm surprised this topic entirely flew over my head about them.

Also as a sidenote for any without the voyager it's £5 on Just Trains website atm.

[smartie38]

From what I hear from someone who has contacted JT about this issue recently, they had real life voyager drivers test their model out & according to those real life drivers, the braking is fine, yeah ok then! I've edited the simulation file myself anyway to match the 400m/350m braking performance from 60mph.

Yeah I'd like to know if the drivers were Voyager drivers or just got a different train altogether to test

Being near Bristol, I've done a lot of XC services, most the time they are pretty good at throwing it into Bristol Parkway and coming to a comfortable stop. On RailWorks, you'd need to start braking at (or before) Filton Abbey Wood on high braking.

I haven't driven the Voyager round the SCEML for ages, done it once but I can't enjoy it, braking 5 miles in advance for a station just to be sure I can stop there, overspeeding round curves because I can't slow down in time etc

It is annoying that JT are taking the stance they are, it's clear to anyone that the brakes on their advance voyager are nowhere near performing like they should but they're just not interested in fixing it, it's upto us end users to sort it out apparently.

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[simuk]

As far as we're aware the braking is considered (by drivers) to be accurate, but if we're able to get accurate real world data that gives us a more realistic (due to it being based on the real data) then we'd be able to do something with it.

What has the modified braking been based on? Real data or an estimation of what "feels right"?

Thanks,

Simon
Just Trains

[AndyUK]

Simon,

As I posted earlier in the thread the brakes on the model don't meet the requirements in terms of stopping distance laid down in the relevant Railway Group Standard (http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_Grou ... ss%204.pdf). In the absence of any other data why not just alter them so that they do?

Andy L

[simuk]

Info forwarded to the dev team, thanks for this.

Thanks,

Simon

[smartie38]

As far as we're aware the braking is considered (by drivers) to be accurate, but if we're able to get accurate real world data that gives us a more realistic (due to it being based on the real data) then we'd be able to do something with it.

What has the modified braking been based on? Real data or an estimation of what "feels right"?

Thanks,

Simon
Just Trains

http://www.therailwaycentre.com/New%20D ... 0_221.html That's the site I got the info from that I used to adjust the brakes on your model, 60-0mph in 400m on a flat stretch of track, the braking on your model is nowhere near that kind of performance.