First Capital Connect Class319

[swtcn91]

The top Headlight works on the Class 92 - do we start demanding the Class 57 & 66 be modified to reflect this.
You can drop some Cab Windows - do we now critisise DTG for every new item that comes out without this Feature. And how many people USE the drop window feature?

You use the window whenever you're operating a DOO train to check the doors before departing.

[deltic009]

The top Headlight works on the Class 92 - do we start demanding the Class 57 & 66 be modified to reflect this.
You can drop some Cab Windows - do we now critisise DTG for every new item that comes out without this Feature. And how many people USE the drop window feature?

You use the window whenever you're operating a DOO train to check the doors before departing.

The question was how many people use it in the simulator, not how many people use it in real life.

[xguerra]

The Class 325 has been out for quite a bit with not many people complaining they carn't use the dual voltage changeover.

Peter

To be honest to God, I would have brought it up had Kariban not fitted it in his 325 enhancement pack.

[leesussex]

I faulted my 319 to DTG, and they have responded stating they are looking at fixes for the issues with AWS and will release as soon as tested via a steam update

[Wikkus]

I presume now we go down the road of "if they can do it now we want it on Everything!"

The top Headlight works on the Class 92 - do we start demanding the Class 57 & 66 be modified to reflect this.
You can drop some Cab Windows - do we now critisise DTG for every new item that comes out without this Feature. And how many people USE the drop window feature?

Where did I -- or anybody else -- suggest that these features be retro-fitted to older models (although, now you come to mention it...)?

Most people are jumping on the 'Have a go at DTG' bandwagon because they have not given them something they will not use.

"Most people"? Really? Bit of a sweeping generalisation. Are you including me in that? And how do you know what people will and won't use?

The Class 325 has been out for quite a bit with not many people complaining they carn't use the dual voltage changeover.

Aren't you also rather conveniently missing my point about RSC/DG adopting some "standards" to build new stuff to?

I'm not entirely clear why you feel the need to dramatise this discussion.

Rik.

[CraigGilmour]

I have many a rants to DTG about their inconsistencies between each product.

I do not understand how some products have DSD/DRA/dual power option etc and others don't. (Obviously some older units do not have all these features) But the ones they are releasing recently have got these features and are not implemented into the product.

The 319 being another victim of what appears to be the general DTG 'lack of effort'
Scenarios rarely involve London. (Which I can only assume, they do take into account that some players have lower spec computers, OR, Just can't be bothered spending time making one)

I apologize if people see my rants elsewhere and perhaps find them exaggerated or what not, I am so fed up with spending money on half done products.
You get something like the 92 and then the next thing is released, of coarse you are thinking 'well if the 92 has had this much effort then surely this has had the same treatment'.... but no.

The AC/DC thing. Well yeah, I've spent months building my own wee route with both AC and DC and yeah, I would have liked this product to of had this feature enabled.

I do not email DTG anymore as very few of my growing list of problems have ever been resolved or even answered, and I don't understand why nobody tries to do something about it...as a large group. I go read through so many posts on this forum group, and I find very little praise compared to the vasts amounts of criticism.

What DTG do is just sit back and know that there is a lack of competition. as long as they have the only base game that is this advanced, they'll continue to just punt out products that are constantly inconsistent, half done with copied sounds from older products. Certainly, I wouldn't want to see 3rd devs affected, AP & waggonz (they two I purchase regularly from) do wonders for this sim. its just a shame DTG can't take a leaf from their books and produce a product that is worth the money.

Sorry if people disagree with me. These are simply my thoughts on the matter.

For the 319, It would be nice to see publicly, DTG acknowledge the fault with the AWS at least.

[gptech]

Before we get further down the road leading to 'lets bash RSC/DTG for not doing it right' has anybody else had a good look at the .bin files for this item?
I'm pretty sure RSC wouldn't write .bin files with sections containing Spanish(?) words so should we be looking further East than Chatham for the author/modeller?
If you view RSC as being more the publisher than originator of this item then should we treat them as we're treating Just Trains with the advanced class 60, for which there is now detailed instructions how to edit files to *fix* the *flaw* with the jolt when starting off? No calls for loud voices or immediate *official* fixes in that thread....

[secludedsfx]

It's pretty much the "Made by DTG" syndrome which a lot of their products suffer from because they're made by DTG.

[StormThief24]

I will say that for the record, the Class 319 (at least, in this current First Capital Connect scheme) does not normally operate into London Victoria and such a scenario would be rather unrealistic. (my apologies for the pedantry)

I have been working on aliasing the sounds from the AP Class 325 sound pack to the 319, with some success, but I can't seem to get the initial whine to work properly, nor does it loop meaning that the train goes virtually silent when I take off the throttle.

[swtcn91]

I will say that for the record, the Class 319 (at least, in this current First Capital Connect scheme) does not normally operate into London Victoria and such a scenario would be rather unrealistic. (my apologies for the pedantry)

I have been working on aliasing the sounds from the AP Class 325 sound pack to the 319, with some success, but I can't seem to get the initial whine to work properly, nor does it loop meaning that the train goes virtually silent when I take off the throttle.

I've tried the same, but I've not been successful as well. The sound structure seems to be different from the 325, seeing as the default MSO sounds seem to include the motors, whereas the 325 (and also 321) reference the motor sounds separately.

I was hoping AP would've done this by now, but I guess they're probably working on an updated version as we speak, since there are a few differences between the 319 and the 325, and that the original sound pack was released back in 2012, so they'd probably need to bring some elements up to date.

[749006]

I'm not entirely clear why you feel the need to dramatise this discussion.

Sort of the way you did by splitting my post? - But anyway.

It's the fact that no commercial route is available to run the 319 in both DC & AC Modes on the same run.
But people moan that they have not got something even though they won't use it.

Unless someone wishes to run the 319 on a Grand Central - New Haven working

[749006]

I will say that for the record, the Class 319 (at least, in this current First Capital Connect scheme) does not normally operate into London Victoria and such a scenario would be rather unrealistic. (my apologies for the pedantry)

We will be ok if repaints becomes available..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecole/7 ... otostream/
http://www.bcoolidge.com/BR%20Pix/Class ... _10_90.jpg

[xguerra]

I will say that for the record, the Class 319 (at least, in this current First Capital Connect scheme) does not normally operate into London Victoria and such a scenario would be rather unrealistic. (my apologies for the pedantry)

We will be ok if repaints becomes available..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecole/7 ... otostream/
http://www.bcoolidge.com/BR%20Pix/Class ... _10_90.jpg

I was tempted to start on the Connex livery but I'm worried that if I do, one will appear all of a sudden in an upcoming AP scenario pack.

[Mr395008]

I will say that for the record, the Class 319 (at least, in this current First Capital Connect scheme) does not normally operate into London Victoria and such a scenario would be rather unrealistic. (my apologies for the pedantry)

We will be ok if repaints becomes available..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecole/7 ... otostream/
http://www.bcoolidge.com/BR%20Pix/Class ... _10_90.jpg

I was tempted to start on the Connex livery but I'm worried that if I do, one will appear all of a sudden in an upcoming AP scenario pack.

I'd love a Connex livery!

[VeraTheMage]

Same, I would absolutely love a Connex reskin. It'd be awfully kind of you if you did.

For anybody looking to see what the Connex 319s would've operated, they would've been used on the "Connex Expresses", a fast service between London Victoria and Brighton calling at East Croydon only*. For the WCML London - B'ham route, there was the hourly Gatwick Airport to Rugby via Kensington (Olympia) service. I believe they also ran some Connex Metro services as well, I have memories of seeing them at Horsham.

319s do currently go into London Victoria, but only as ECS to Grosvenor sheds from Blackfriars and for route knowledge retention, I believe. All operated by Southeastern crews(?). No scope for scenarios there, unless you fancy playing a five minute ECS move along the Chatham slows!

Ooooh, before I forget, would it be too much trouble for anyone to clone a DMOS and create a child object for a "First Class" decal? It does look a little strange seeing all the FCC 319s be /3s!

*It's off-topic, but video125 created an excellent cabview video filmed in a Connex Express service.
-Vera