Class 91 on sale

[batling]

I know the test trains were formed of Mk3 SLEP's but I don't have the Class 67 so can't use the Intercity livery, squint a bit.

Ok, having set up a test train using an HST power car as a DVT, I can confirm after running from Peterborough North Yard to Huntingdon that all systems were working adequately on 91011. All tests completed successfully.

Oh, and it goes like hell (Technical Term) having no trouble at all reaching its design speed of 140mph. Well, nothing would if it had a combined 7,000hp!


Also, the use of the AP Mk3 sound pack makes all the difference to immersion.

Ant

I'm pretty certain they were BR blue sleepers and there's some of those provided with WCML Over Shap.

Some photos I've seen use blue/grey and some Intercity liveries. Plus Test Car 10. But I don't have Shap either so making do.

Ant

[Zackybong1]

Personally speaking, there are lots of great things about the Class 91 and a few bad things too. I work with these trains every day and there are some aspects of the model's accuracy I'm very pleased with. Then again, some areas really let it down!

The sounds are very hit and miss. The track sounds aren't great at all, although the 91 generally sounds as it should, although when the fans start up, there is generally a two stage noise, and there is a distinctive hiss as the loco begins to move.I heard these sounds the first time I loaded up a test scenario with the train, was very impressed, although since driving it, I haven't heard them again! The fans start up and shut down when fwd/neutral is selected, which is fine. The horns sound alright to me, fairly accurate to how they sound in real life, and I like the fact that when the button is held, the horn continues to sound. The aircon in the DVT cab is quite loud in real life, so thats quite accurate, although externally there is nowhere near as much noise emitted from the DVT. There doesn't appear to be any sound from the parking brake, and anyone who's been near by when this is applied will know its a very abrupt and strange, almost rude noise! It would be great if it had the same level of advanced controls as the AP Class 90, but I'm willing to settle for the basic.

It looks great, modeled with very high external accuracy indeed. I'm a little puzzled as to why they chose to release it in InterCity livery, with un-refurbished loco exterior yet refurbished interiors and post GNER Mallard program coaching stock.

It will be a great model once better sounds are made available and I'll look forward to some reskins and the release of JT's Newcastle - Edinburgh, another route where this train will be right at home.

I think it's just about worth the money. Its £3 less than the AP Class 90/DVT Pack which has way more variety of liveries, superior sound quality and far more advance controls.

But that is my opinion.

I have this loco pack too, and with the throw in of the vigilance device being a real let down, I agree entirely with your comments. It looks FANTASTIC. It sounds ok (passable). But that vigilance device is just a killer.

[Juanillo99]

Also, the use of the AP Mk3 sound pack makes all the difference to immersion.

DTG have stated they have recorded from a real 91, but I'm not entirely sure how they missed that quite obvious and distinctive sound.

The sounds are definitely from a 91 but I get the impression they only recorded a stationary one.

In my opinion, the Achilles' heel of dtg are the rolling stock sounds (in general terms).
All of them are clearly improvable.

[dougiec]

I have this loco pack too, and with the throw in of the vigilance device being a real let down, I agree entirely with your comments. It looks FANTASTIC. It sounds ok (passable). But that vigilance device is just a killer.

Granted the Vigilance device has caught me out. I rarely go outside the cab so its not a major issue for me, but the one time I did leave the cab to check if my train was completely on the platform, it caught me out! Having a visual aid for this would be a massive help.

[smartie38]

Also, the use of the AP Mk3 sound pack makes all the difference to immersion.

Ant

I used to be a huge fan of the ap mk3 sound pack but I've found some mk3 sounds that are, in my opinion from travelling alot on hst's, absolutely spot on, and that is the mk3 sounds that came with the riviera line dlc, I was so impressed with the accuracy of those sounds I've now added them to my entire mk3 rolling stock.

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[firetrap1]

Could everyone who reads this and has the time, please send an email to support@railsimulator.com to notify them of the issue of the broken AWS on the class 91 and DVT.

The keen eyed will by now have noticed that upon acknowledgement of the Aws warning by the player, the AWS sunflower disappears from the display when it should in fact remain on until the next clear signal is passed.

I emailed support yesterday and all I got from them was:

Dear Sir,




Thank you for contacting the dovetailgames.com customer support team with your feedback and suggestions regarding Train Simulator, this is very much appreciated.

Your suggestions and comments have been passed to our product team, they will be considered for any improvements or changes that may need to be made for future releases of Dovetail Games products.
We appreciate your taking the time to let us know,

Please reply to this email rather than generating a new email, this will avoid any confusion, it also enables us to read the history of all correspondence in order to provide you with quicker assistance and better support.

Keep an eye on the Train Simulator website:http://www.railsimulator.com or Like us on Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/railsimulator for all the latest news and details about upcoming releases.

Regards


Dovetail Games Support.

Which to me translates as: thanks for your email, we will get round to looking at this if we get time, as it doesn't seem like a big issue to us at the moment for us to warrant fixing this anytime soon.

[TheAlbanach]

Could everyone who reads this and has the time, please send an email to support@railsimulator.com to notify them of the issue of the broken AWS on the class 91 and DVT.

The keen eyed will by now have noticed that upon acknowledgement of the Aws warning by the player, the AWS sunflower disappears from the display when it should in fact remain on until the next clear signal is passed.

I emailed support yesterday and all I got from them was:

Dear Sir,




Thank you for contacting the dovetailgames.com customer support team with your feedback and suggestions regarding Train Simulator, this is very much appreciated.

Your suggestions and comments have been passed to our product team, they will be considered for any improvements or changes that may need to be made for future releases of Dovetail Games products.
We appreciate your taking the time to let us know,

Please reply to this email rather than generating a new email, this will avoid any confusion, it also enables us to read the history of all correspondence in order to provide you with quicker assistance and better support.

Keep an eye on the Train Simulator website:http://www.railsimulator.com or Like us on Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/railsimulator for all the latest news and details about upcoming releases.

Regards


Dovetail Games Support.

Which to me translates as: thanks for your email, we will get round to looking at this if we get time, as it doesn't seem like a big issue to us at the moment for us to warrant fixing this anytime soon.

I got the exact same reply from them!


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[theorganist]

Isn't that the standard email? If so, then it doesn't really say anything!

Doesn't mean they are not looking into it however, give them a chance at least!

Peter

[Wikkus]

Isn't that the standard email? If so, then it doesn't really say anything!

Doesn't mean they are not looking into it however, give them a chance at least!

When they actively investigate stuff the email response is usually personalised, often addressed to the sender and including a "we know there's a problem and it's being looked at" type response. This is the standard "we'll add it to the big list of stuff" reply. It wouldn't be wild to speculate, given that this is a highly popular release, that their support queue is at present longer than an Australian ore train and they're simply inundated and are operating some form of triage. I know I would.

As Christopher suggested, best that those who have the product and for whom it is an issue (assuming that there will be those who couldn't care less... ) email support so that their sample set increases enough for it to show up in their stats and they actually look at fixing it.

Rik.

[gptech]

When they actively investigate stuff the email response is usually personalised, often addressed to the sender and including a "we know there's a problem and it's being looked at" type response

Even if the mail they're replying to was the first one notifying them of a problem they were unaware of?
I'm surprised that there's surprise that the sounds aren't up to the standard of an AP sound pack, but is it fair to say that the sounds are up to the usual RSC/DTG standard? Don't forget that they're producing for *the masses*, and if that's what generates sales then that's what they'll do. A dozen or so UKTS members bemoaning that from what they've read the sounds must be ghastly isn't going to alter that.

[ashgray]

As Christopher suggested, best that those who have the product and for whom it is an issue (assuming that there will be those who couldn't care less... ) email support so that their sample set increases enough for it to show up in their stats and they actually look at fixing it.

Rik

Please lose the "rolling eyes" attitude towards those of us who actually own this product and are therefore able to offer an honest, first-hand opinion on it. Whilst I'm all for constructive criticism where warranted, I simply do not see how anyone who doesn't own it could possibly be in a position to comment with any authority whatsoever, let alone treat those of us who are relatively happy with the product as though we are some sort of lower-life fanboys. It's not helpful or constructive in any way, and simply promotes discontent on the forums. I'd like to think that there's no hidden agenda in what you say, but that's how it comes across to me.

Ash

[749006]

DSD/Vigilance

I emailed DTG and got a quick reply.

The DSD/Vigilance Device, that was included in the particular locomotive was amended for later models, the way
that the it operated in the Inter City Class 91 is chronologically and historically accurate, there is a possibility that a
future update may include the ability to switch it off.

I will wait until then to purchase the loco.

Peter

I was looking on another site and came across this bit on RW America where a loco with a Vigilance was catching people out.
http://railworksamerica.com/forum/viewt ... f=6&t=4227

I wondered if there was a lua file with a similar line in it?
Might also work on the 360 and 395.

Peter

[AndyUK]

Peter,

The .lua scripts only exist in compiled form with the .out filename extension in the more recent RSC/DTG releases and as noted in the .OUT files thread you can't get into them to edit them.

Andy L

[749006]

Peter,

The .lua scripts only exist in compiled form with the .out filename extension in the more recent RSC/DTG releases and as noted in the .OUT files thread you can't get into them to edit them.

Andy L

Thanks Andy. Thought it was worth a try

Peter

[Wikkus]

Even if the mail they're replying to was the first one notifying them of a problem they were unaware of?

Clearly, someone has to be first, but even so, in my experience, they can usually weed out the ones that are genuine problems as opposed to the more generic ones. And I did qualify by stating that they're quite possibly inundated so maybe that process has broken down.

I'm surprised that there's surprise that the sounds aren't up to the standard of an AP sound pack, but is it fair to say that the sounds are up to the usual RSC/DTG standard?

And if that is the case, this is a good thing how?

Don't forget that they're producing for *the masses*, and if that's what generates sales then that's what they'll do.

And you're quite right. But that doesn't make their approach right, they're simply exploiting a captive audience in that respect all the while not actually striving to produce the best possible product, at least that's how it appears. And I'm clearly not alone in wondering what they're doing with professional sound recordists and access to the prototype and marketing it as "accurate".

A dozen or so UKTS members bemoaning that from what they've read the sounds must be ghastly isn't going to alter that.

You're exaggerating. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one participating in this thread that hasn't actually bought it. Nowhere did I state or even infer that they were "ghastly", did I? It's people who've actually bought it and felt they were incomplete/inaccurate/lacking/insert-adjective-of-choice who are providing that feedback.

I don't want to see this thread locked because of this, but I would be extremely disappointed if this means that we are not permitted to talk about a product at all unless we own it.

Rik