Class 91 on sale

[Springer6]

East Coast livery !! Just what we always wanted ! ....Thanks Daniel at DPS

[winifred89]

I got the class 91 , i can;t see the scenario Simple and Expert Controls Tutorial: Class 91 ?
Not on career scenarios. Tryed the 91 in quick drive the reverser sticks on 13% , and the blowers stop making a noise. Done a verifty of cache.
Can some nice person tell me how i get to expert controls on it. It seems am on simple controls.

[hitch840]

I got the class 91 , i can;t see the scenario Simple and Expert Controls Tutorial: Class 91 ?
Not on career scenarios. Tryed the 91 in quick drive the reverser sticks on 13% , and the blowers stop making a noise. Done a verify of cache.
Can some nice person tell me how i get to expert controls on it. It seems am on simple controls.

When you load the game and get the main menu, click 'Drive' and the expert/simple setting is in the bottom right corner on the next screen. Make sure this is set to 'Expert'.

[hitch840]

OldThrottle,
The caveat in all this as my mate at First Great Western tells me (he drives HSTs out of Paddington) - the guard/train manager must never give you the right away (buzzer/bell or whatever) if the signal is still at danger. Only 'ding ding' when a proceed aspect is shown. There is a SPAD risk if you 'ding ding' at a red

Hardly a SPAD risk seeing as overall, the driver is in control of the train and not the guard. The guard might not be able to see any signals at certain stations anyway. Just because the guard buzzes 'RA' doesn't mean the driver is going to go through a red.

[nukem]

OldThrottle,
The caveat in all this as my mate at First Great Western tells me (he drives HSTs out of Paddington) - the guard/train manager must never give you the right away (buzzer/bell or whatever) if the signal is still at danger. Only 'ding ding' when a proceed aspect is shown. There is a SPAD risk if you 'ding ding' at a red

Hardly a SPAD risk seeing as overall, the driver is in control of the train and not the guard. The guard might not be able to see any signals at certain stations anyway. Just because the guard buzzes 'RA' doesn't mean the driver is going to go through a red.

At a lot of companies now if the Guard/Conductor gives the driver the "Ready-To-Start" against a red it is highly frowned upon and some companies treat this as seriously as having a SPAD! Yes the rule book does state that it is the drivers responsibility to check the signal and act accordingly, however managers feel that because 99% of the time drivers will come in to a certain station on a green (for example) if the 1% the signal is red (again just for simplicity sake) there is a high risk of the driver becoming distracted in the platform (or on the approach) and not correctly using the DRA. If the Guard/Conductor were to give the bells, the driver could potentially have a SPAD because he/she could be on the cab radio, talking to a member of staff/passenger on the platform (or even member of staff in the cab) and they could be in a form of "auto pilot" and they may not check the signal because they are distracted. This is very uncommon now because Guards/Conductors have trained to check the signal when they first step out onto a platform and drivers have it drummed into them to always set the DRA when standing at a red signal (some companies will teach drivers to apply the DRA when passing a signal yellow aspect so that if they do get distracted then the risk of a SPAD is heavily reduced.

[chriscooper]

OldThrottle,
train dispatch from stations varies by trian operator around the country. Kings Cross is topical and interesting - I was there on Thursday last week and was interested to see train dispatch from that major station. On the signal post was a 'route indicator' and subsiduary display which had multiple functionality. There was a display to indicate the driver to 'close doors.' This was shown in the display on the signal post as 'CD.' The train was dispatched finally by the 'RA' (right away) indicator showing which I assumed was the authority for the driver to finally pull away. I would imagine that the two dings on the bell from the train manager/guard would also have occurred.

Where the RA indicators are used, this replaces the guard-driver buzzer. They are quite common at manned stations where DOO trains are common as they allow the station staff to signal to the driver that station duties are complete without the driver having to look back down the platform. They are also considered safer than traditional dispatch since the RA indicator is interlocked with the signal and will not show if the signal is at danger, reducing the SPAD risk. For this reason where fitted they will be used additionally for trains with guards. In that case the guard will signal to the station staff (either by hand, green flag or green light) to the station staff when they wish the driver to get the right away. The CD indication will often be seen even where the guards control the doors as on many if not all the CD and RA buttons must be pressed in sequence.

[AndyUK]

....Hardly a SPAD risk seeing as overall, the driver is in control of the train and not the guard. The guard might not be able to see any signals at certain stations anyway. Just because the guard buzzes 'RA' doesn't mean the driver is going to go through a red.

Perhaps you're not aware that there have been several 'ding ding and away' accidents due to a signal being passed at danger in which the driver being given the RA by the guard was a judged to be a contributory factor by the inquiry. They include Paisley Gilmour Street in 1979 in which 7 were killed and Bellgrove in 1989 with 2 fatalities.

Andy L

[spellow3010]

....Hardly a SPAD risk seeing as overall, the driver is in control of the train and not the guard. The guard might not be able to see any signals at certain stations anyway. Just because the guard buzzes 'RA' doesn't mean the driver is going to go through a red.

Perhaps you're not aware that there have been several 'ding ding and away' accidents due to a signal being passed at danger in which the driver being given the RA by the guard was a judged to be a contributory factor by the inquiry. They include Paisley Gilmour Street in 1979 in which 7 were killed and Bellgrove in 1989 with 2 fatalities.

Andy L

Yes. I have led more than my share of formal investigations into SPADs and believe me, 'ding ding and away' at a red is a significant risk. I'm also involved in signal sighting committees for arising issues (as a result of incidents) and new schemes. My colleagues at the TOCs/FOCs on the committee are rightly concerned about the risk of train dispatch against a red signal, and even starting away from a station on a single yellow. Lots of issues to consider. Signal sighting for train dispatch staff and the train manager and guard is equally important - one of the reasons why we have co-acting signals and 'off indicators' on platforms so that staff concerned can see/tell if a signal is showing a proceed aspect before hitting the 'RA' button.

Back on topic - liking the look of the East Coast skin and the GNER one I have seen coming out.

I noted with interest, the comment back from DTG about the vigilence device. Richard Armstrong is spot on with his opinion too. For me, as I am making my brake application in relation to my need to reduce speed and plant myself correctly in a platform or on approach to a red signal, the last thing I want/need as a simulator driver is a needless vigilence device distracting me from my task. I guess that is why the original was altered so that it triggered only after a period time of 'non-activity' from the driving controls. Hopefully, a fix for that will follow sooner than some other, and arguably more pressing issues with DLC from DTG.

[749006]

Apologies if this site has been mentioned before - there are a number of Class 91 Reskins available.

http://www.bluecode.org.uk/downloads/reskins/

Peter

[jimmyshand]

Yes. I have led more than my share of formal investigations into SPADs and believe me, 'ding ding and away' at a red is a significant risk. I'm also involved in signal sighting committees for arising issues (as a result of incidents) and new schemes. My colleagues at the TOCs/FOCs on the committee are rightly concerned about the risk of train dispatch against a red signal, and even starting away from a station on a single yellow. Lots of issues to consider. Signal sighting for train dispatch staff and the train manager and guard is equally important - one of the reasons why we have co-acting signals and 'off indicators' on platforms so that staff concerned can see/tell if a signal is showing a proceed aspect before hitting the 'RA' button.

I can well relate to this purely from driving in the simulator. A station stop is a massive distraction and disruption to the usual driving flow of concentrating on speed limits and signals. In the simulator I've committed the terrible sin of hearing the guards whistle, slam of the doors, ding ding and seen my next destination appear in the HUD so open up the throttle and away we go! 30 seconds later I de-railed on a set of adverse points. I'd completely lost signal and situational awareness as a result of the station stop.

The natural reaction to the various 'right away' dispatch indications you receive is to open up and depart. I wondered if the same would be true in real life and it seems that indeed it is. Probably more so when combined with other factors like fatigue. The simulator is actually a very good tool to help understand real driver psychology such as fatigue, dispatch issues, response to warnings/alarms etc.

[winifred89]

I got the class 91 , i can;t see the scenario Simple and Expert Controls Tutorial: Class 91 ?
Not on career scenarios. Tryed the 91 in quick drive the reverser sticks on 13% , and the blowers stop making a noise. Done a verify of cache.
Can some nice person tell me how i get to expert controls on it. It seems am on simple controls.

When you load the game and get the main menu, click 'Drive' and the expert/simple setting is in the bottom right corner on the next screen. Make sure this is set to 'Expert'.

It seems i was already on expert mode , so i can't understand why my reverser is stuck at 13%

[749006]

I got the class 91 , i can;t see the scenario Simple and Expert Controls Tutorial: Class 91 ?
Not on career scenarios. Tryed the 91 in quick drive the reverser sticks on 13% , and the blowers stop making a noise. Done a verify of cache.
Can some nice person tell me how i get to expert controls on it. It seems am on simple controls.

When you load the game and get the main menu, click 'Drive' and the expert/simple setting is in the bottom right corner on the next screen. Make sure this is set to 'Expert'.

It seems i was already on expert mode , so i can't understand why my reverser is stuck at 13%

How are you trying to move the Reverser?
It won't work with the F4 HUD - you need to move it with the mouse to Neutral and Cancel the AWS.
Then Put in to FWD with the Mouse, Release the Brakes and take power. - The last two you can do with the Mouse or Keyboard.

Peter

[tchouftchouf]

I had the same problem.

Go on your game setting to verify if you are in Expert Mode.
My setting was returned in stop and go without my intervention even if the open menu say "Expert Mode", don't ask why, I don't know.

This problem is now resolved for me.

Hope this will help.

JLC

[Springer6]

Apologies if this site has been mentioned before - there are a number of Class 91 Reskins available.

http://www.bluecode.org.uk/downloads/reskins/

Peter

Thanks for pointing out these repaints. They look high quality and give a fantastic range.

I think you still need the DPS repaint ( covering the EC Grey Mk4s as well) as the Bluecode ones seem only to include the 91 and DVT.

I bought the 91 set last week when it appeared, even though I was a bit disapointed that only Intercity livery was available. These repaints have now made the 91 an absolutely "must buy" for anyone with ECML L-P , JT N-Y Modern , DPS ECML NE, even WCMLN and the forthcoming JT Newcastle to Edinburgh.

[winifred89]

Thanks 749006 and tchouftchouf will try both