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OldThrottle,
train dispatch from stations varies by trian operator around the country. Kings Cross is topical and interesting - I was there on Thursday last week and was interested to see train dispatch from that major station. On the signal post was a 'route indicator' and subsiduary display which had multiple functionality. There was a display to indicate the driver to 'close doors.' This was shown in the display on the signal post as 'CD.' The train was dispatched finally by the 'RA' (right away) indicator showing which I assumed was the authority for the driver to finally pull away. I would imagine that the two dings on the bell from the train manager/guard would also have occurred.

Elsewhere, under Driver Only Operations (DOO), the driver has to physically check that everything is okay prior to departure - hence some of the big mirrors and CCTV screens that you see as modern platform furniture.

But yes, out in the sticks, 'ding ding and away' (as my friends at London Midland call it) is the way a driver generally knows that he can leave the station safely.

The caveat in all this as my mate at First Great Western tells me (he drives HSTs out of Paddington) - the guard/train manager must never give you the right away (buzzer/bell or whatever) if the signal is still at danger. Only 'ding ding' when a proceed aspect is shown. There is a SPAD risk if you 'ding ding' at a red :oops:
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spellow3010 wrote:OldThrottle,
train dispatch from stations varies by trian operator around the country. Kings Cross is topical and interesting - I was there on Thursday last week and was interested to see train dispatch from that major station. On the signal post was a 'route indicator' and subsiduary display which had multiple functionality. There was a display to indicate the driver to 'close doors.' This was shown in the display on the signal post as 'CD.' The train was dispatched finally by the 'RA' (right away) indicator showing which I assumed was the authority for the driver to finally pull away. I would imagine that the two dings on the bell from the train manager/guard would also have occurred.

Elsewhere, under Driver Only Operations (DOO), the driver has to physically check that everything is okay prior to departure - hence some of the big mirrors and CCTV screens that you see as modern platform furniture.

But yes, out in the sticks, 'ding ding and away' (as my friends at London Midland call it) is the way a driver generally knows that he can leave the station safely.

The caveat in all this as my mate at First Great Western tells me (he drives HSTs out of Paddington) - the guard/train manager must never give you the right away (buzzer/bell or whatever) if the signal is still at danger. Only 'ding ding' when a proceed aspect is shown. There is a SPAD risk if you 'ding ding' at a red :oops:
I've always found modern dispatching an odd thing. When I was a lad growing up by the West Highland Line in the 1980's, when a train was in the station the driver or secondman would always have his head out of the cab window of the 37 looking back to get the flag/whistle from the guard. A toot on the horn and the train would pull away with the driver still leaning out and looking back. He would only stick his head back in once the train was underway. If I was a driver I'd always want to have that personal assurance that all doors are closed, all passengers are clear and there are no other safety issues before I open the throttle and pull away.
Watching modern HST operations where I live now in the Westcountry then it goes right against the grain for me. The driver never gets out of his seat, just waits for the beep beep from the guard then pulls away blindly. I don't think I'd be able to resist the urge to have a check out of the window/door first if it was me. It would be like pulling out from a parking space in your car and taking the word from somone in the back that all is safe and clear without actually looking yourself.
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Hi all.

i just need a little help if possible. After about 1 1/2 hours of playing with the BIN.file, i have finally got the driver into his seat in the blunt end, but he has got his back to the windscreen and i can't for the life of me spin him 180 degrees to face the right way! Can anybody please tell me which coordinate i need to change to spin him around please? :D

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Re: Class 91 on sale / realism???

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OldThrottle wrote:Does the driver really have to rely on just two simple buzzes from the guard? Can't believe this! So - can some expert with real-life experience help to enlighten my ingnorance?
Thanks :wink:
It is not possible for the Guard to give the Driver "two simple buzzes" on any stock with power operated doors unless the doors are closed and the Door Interlock Lights have gone out.
That way it fails safe.

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749006 wrote:
OldThrottle wrote:Does the driver really have to rely on just two simple buzzes from the guard? Can't believe this! So - can some expert with real-life experience help to enlighten my ingnorance?
Thanks :wink:
It is not possible for the Guard to give the Driver "two simple buzzes" on any stock with power operated doors unless the doors are closed and the Door Interlock Lights have gone out.
That way it fails safe.

Peter
This is certainly true for the 458 at least but it is possible to ring the bell on a 321 with the doors open.
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749006 wrote:
tubemad wrote:About time DSD was making an appearance! It doesn't feel right without it as it feels more of a game than a simulation.
Have you not been paying attention? The DSD Feature has been around for a couple of years now and you must be a chap who does not like to move out of his seat during the journey .
So try the 360, 377, 395 or 465 from RSC or the Voyager Advanced and the revised Class 60 from Just Trains.

I have no objections to a DSD/Vigilance as long it come with an Off Switch :)

Peter
I know it has, I didn't say I've just noticed :lol: What I'm on about is it's nice to see more RSC products with DSD, where as before I was more reliant on JT and other third party products to have it, though it's a shame the 150 doesn't (yet..) even though it has a lot of other features.

I don't always sit in the cab, I do virtual window leaning sometimes, or I might get a quick photo, but I personally prefer the drivers view and being the driver, which is probably why I like BVE so much too.
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phat2003uk wrote:
749006 wrote:
OldThrottle wrote:Does the driver really have to rely on just two simple buzzes from the guard? Can't believe this! So - can some expert with real-life experience help to enlighten my ingnorance?
Thanks :wink:
It is not possible for the Guard to give the Driver "two simple buzzes" on any stock with power operated doors unless the doors are closed and the Door Interlock Lights have gone out.
That way it fails safe.

Peter
This is certainly true for the 458 at least but it is possible to ring the bell on a 321 with the doors open.
You can with 377's from the Cab, as there is no Door Close for the guards, it's all Bell Codes :) But then the train will only move up to 5mph and then brakes come one as there is no interlock :O
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TElsmore wrote:Hi all.

i just need a little help if possible. After about 1 1/2 hours of playing with the BIN.file, i have finally got the driver into his seat in the blunt end, but he has got his back to the windscreen and i can't for the life of me spin him 180 degrees to face the right way! Can anybody please tell me which coordinate i need to change to spin him around please? :D

Thank you
Terrone

Terrone,

I think it's the top entry you need to change. Whatever it is now, it needs to be the opposite - either a '+' or '-' figure.

Hope this helps,
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tubemad wrote:
749006 wrote:
tubemad wrote:About time DSD was making an appearance! It doesn't feel right without it as it feels more of a game than a simulation.
Have you not been paying attention? The DSD Feature has been around for a couple of years now and you must be a chap who does not like to move out of his seat during the journey .
So try the 360, 377, 395 or 465 from RSC or the Voyager Advanced and the revised Class 60 from Just Trains.

I have no objections to a DSD/Vigilance as long it come with an Off Switch :)

Peter
I know it has, I didn't say I've just noticed :lol: What I'm on about is it's nice to see more RSC products with DSD, where as before I was more reliant on JT and other third party products to have it, though it's a shame the 150 doesn't (yet..) even though it has a lot of other features.
It's important to know the difference between a vigilance device and DSD. Vigilance actively sounds an alert the driver must acknowledge, a DSD is basically a dead mans handle. DSD is a normally foot pedal (built into the power controller on some older EMU classes). Take your foot off it, and the brakes apply - usually after a short delay. Where it can get confusing is that vigilance is usually tied into the DSD. When it sounds, release the DSD pedal and reapply. If you release the DSD, the alarm will sound and after a short delay (if you don't reapply your foot), the brakes will come on.

All trains on the network will have some kind of DSD fitted. Not all will have a vigilance device fitted. Vigilance devices are easy to live with in the sim, as all it takes is an acknowledgement (and you can, or should, be able to turn them off with no penalty). An accurate DSD will require you to keep a key pressed constantly and will probably detract from the game. 150s have a DSD foot pedal as built. I don't know if any have been retrofitted with a vigilance alarm, but the variant I work with certainly doesn't have one. So, as it stands, it's accurate in not bleeping every minute.

There isn't really a particular standard for older trains still running on the network when it comes to a vigilance device. Some have them, some don't, and that's at an individual loco/unit level, not a class thing.
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msey0002 wrote:
msey0002 wrote: anyone know how to take off the horrible sound of the wipers? to say they are driving me crazy is an understatement :crazyeyes:
Ha ha ha, one of the first things I did, irritated me too!

Just browse to the folder:-

\Steam\steamapps\common\railworks\Assets\RSC\Class91Addon\Audio\RailVehicles\Electric\Class 91\Cab

The two files you need to either remove (backup first!) or rename are:-

RS Class 91 Wiper 01.dav
RS Class 91 Wiper 02.dav

No more annoying wiper sounds 8)
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rfletcher72 wrote:
TElsmore wrote:Hi all.

i just need a little help if possible. After about 1 1/2 hours of playing with the BIN.file, i have finally got the driver into his seat in the blunt end, but he has got his back to the windscreen and i can't for the life of me spin him 180 degrees to face the right way! Can anybody please tell me which coordinate i need to change to spin him around please? :D

Thank you
Terrone

Terrone,

I think it's the top entry you need to change. Whatever it is now, it needs to be the opposite - either a '+' or '-' figure.

Hope this helps,
Hi, thank you for that, I will give it a try when I get home. I'm chuffed with myself that I have managed to get him into the blunt end drivers seat at all! Ha ha.

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startours wrote:Thanks for the comments guys, glad you like the reskin! :)
It is excellent - many thanks again for doing this :D
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Having sent an email to DTG about the Vigilance I got a reply today.

the Main bit is

There may be an update released for it because although it is historically accurate it has proved unpopular as indeed it was in reality,
it was changed in later models several years after it was initially released it looks like in this case art will indeed imitate reality.


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There's two things going wrong here, they either:
- seem to be failing to recognise that if they wish to take this line about absolute reality then they better disable all views except the '1' cab view when one uses the 91/DVT. Otherwise, having the option to toggle it on/off seems to make perfect sense for the majority who also wish to go outside the train every now and then and not run the risk of an emergency brake application. I'm staggered they find this so surprising.
- not recognising that the majority of complaints are not about how moving the controls don't reset the timer as was changed in reality but to have the ability to toggle
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They should also fix the consistency of the buttons in the cabs of both the 91 and the DVT, and make them on/off separately, rather than having both buttons do the same function. At the moment, there are some buttons in the 91 that don't work in the DVT, especially the driver/guard buzzer, since it's an important function that seems to have been overlooked while the DVT cab was being developed.
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