South West Trains Class 159 Coming soon from DTG

[USRailFan]

Guess RSC/DTG realised their goof... Hopefully it'll be back up with the proper configuration.
Really though, such a mistake shouldn't have been made in the first place. I mean, how long does it take to go on Wikipedia, type in BR Class 159, and get all the information one needs (such as them all being three-car units)?

[nukem]

at the end of the day it was just a WIP shot, so although yes they opened them self's up to a lot of bad comments, I think we are being a bit harsh by jumping to conclusions about them making a big mistake as we have only seen one picture so far.

[Dave4468]

Class 59 coming soon...

[Kernow2]

at the end of the day it was just a WIP shot, so although yes they opened them self's up to a lot of bad comments, I think we are being a bit harsh by jumping to conclusions about them making a big mistake as we have only seen one picture so far.

That's a nice way of looking at it but when a wip screenshot is posted aren't the posters using it as adverising to generate interest in their product? DTG/RSC are very much a commercial enterprise and just because we often feel pleased when new products are shown doesn't take away the fact that they should be getting it right when saying 'Hey look at this wouldn't you like to buy one of these!' If you are going to run a successful business (and I dare say they are..) you have to take a bit more care. People will always dwell on what you get wrong and not what you got right. So in this case DTG/RSC you really need to work harder.. because the customer is always right. (Even when he's wrong..
Kernow2

[220389]

Class 59 coming soon...

Now a Class 59 would be nice (but biased, since lived nearish to Mearhead Quarry) But if did happen would get 'Its only a reskin' comments

[nukem]

at the end of the day it was just a WIP shot, so although yes they opened them self's up to a lot of bad comments, I think we are being a bit harsh by jumping to conclusions about them making a big mistake as we have only seen one picture so far.

That's a nice way of looking at it but when a wip screenshot is posted aren't the posters using it as adverising to generate interest in their product? DTG/RSC are very much a commercial enterprise and just because we often feel pleased when new products are shown doesn't take away the fact that they should be getting it right when saying 'Hey look at this wouldn't you like to buy one of these!' If you are going to run a successful business (and I dare say they are..) you have to take a bit more care. People will always dwell on what you get wrong and not what you got right. So in this case DTG/RSC you really need to work harder.. because the customer is always right. (Even when he's wrong..
Kernow2

I'm trying to look at it with a positive out look because I couldn't make a product like that even if it is wrong it's still a hundred times better than what I could produce, and I fully agree that yes they use their wip pictures as advertising for the product (a lot of developers do) as you say it encourages interest and with the amount of followers on Facebook, twitter, etc RSC/DTG should expect some negative comments by now, but it does seem that people are quick to judge before the product has been released. Again the history of RSC doesn't help my argument however in recent releases they are starting to take on board what the community want/say. I'd like to think that it was a wip shot that wasn't finished (even though it did look nearly completed) or even a slight over sight on the developers part and the RSC/DTG dev team take the comments that have been posted with a grain of salt and make the adjustments required as I'd say they've done/are doing with the new Exeter-Paignton route, a lot of earlier comments on those wip shots were again negative yet I believe they took this on board and have since made some rather nice changes to the route.

[749006]

at the end of the day it was just a WIP shot, so although yes they opened them self's up to a lot of bad comments, I think we are being a bit harsh by jumping to conclusions about them making a big mistake as we have only seen one picture so far.

On the basis there is a 3 car 158 available they could have done all three cars as a WIP shot.

[spellow3010]

Class 59 coming soon...

Now a Class 59 would be nice (but biased, since lived nearish to Mearhead Quarry) But if did happen would get 'Its only a reskin' comments

And they would probably be right to express an opinion? I mean... there will be the original Foster Yeoman livery of 1985... Then the 59/1s of ARC in that rather fetching olive green as an expansion pack... Then of course the National Power (NSE!!) liveried 59/2 pack... And then all multitude of spin off Hanson variations.

There will be another Class 59/0 with a bell on it, and for German route operators, 59003 in it's europeanised garb for export. Talking of which, is 59003 still over there?

So yeah... quite a lot of re-skin money to be made from a Class 59.

Back on topic and as I said, if this is a Class 158 badged as a 159, which equates to an existing (dare I say dated) model repainted, then that should be reflected in the price in my opinion. Interested to see what they do and depending on what they do, do... I might make a purchase.

[220389]

And they would probably be right to express an opinion? I mean... there will be the original Foster Yeoman livery of 1985... Then the 59/1s of ARC in that rather fetching olive green as an expansion pack... Then of course the National Power (NSE!!) liveried 59/2 pack... And then all multitude of spin off Hanson variations.

There will be another Class 59/0 with a bell on it, and for German route operators, 59003 in it's europeanised garb for export. Talking of which, is 59003 still over there?

So yeah... quite a lot of re-skin money to be made from a Class 59.

Back on topic and as I said, if this is a Class 158 badged as a 159, which equates to an existing (dare I say dated) model repainted, then that should be reflected in the price in my opinion. Interested to see what they do and depending on what they do, do... I might make a purchase.

Didn't mean by the different liveries of the 59 (Well 0 and /1s have pretty different front ends) I mean by how similarish they are to 66s especially the /2s from a external point of view. For 59003 i believe it still is in Germany.

For the 159 we just have to wait and see for now.

[AndyUK]

...Back on topic and as I said, if this is a Class 158 badged as a 159, which equates to an existing (dare I say dated) model repainted, then that should be reflected in the price in my opinion....

If they model a 159/1 rather than a 159/0 isn't that just a repainted 3-car 158 or are there other external differences?

Andy L

[Fincra5]

Its good RSC have been told of their mistake and are just sorting it. Maybe people are tired of just reskins on models that aren't accurate!

[spellow3010]

...Back on topic and as I said, if this is a Class 158 badged as a 159, which equates to an existing (dare I say dated) model repainted, then that should be reflected in the price in my opinion....

If they model a 159/1 rather than a 159/0 isn't that just a repainted 3-car 158 or are there other external differences?

Andy L

Yeah, I forgot about the 159/1... That'll save some body modelling work then. I don't know when they got re-numbered from Clas 158s, so livery-wise, not sure what they would be seen in. Unlikely to be NSE... So if you want the original Class 159 in NSE colours, we either need a new model to reflect the 159/0 or make do... No hardship there I guess.

The 159 just reeks of nastiness - they did away with my treasured Fifties Proper horror show.

[winifred89]

Class 59 coming soon...

Now a Class 59 would be nice (but biased, since lived nearish to Mearhead Quarry) But if did happen would get 'Its only a reskin' comments

And they would probably be right to express an opinion? I mean... there will be the original Foster Yeoman livery of 1985... Then the 59/1s of ARC in that rather fetching olive green as an expansion pack... Then of course the National Power (NSE!!) liveried 59/2 pack... And then all multitude of spin off Hanson variations.

There will be another Class 59/0 with a bell on it, and for German route operators, 59003 in it's europeanised garb for export. Talking of which, is 59003 still over there?

So yeah... quite a lot of re-skin money to be made from a Class 59.

Back on topic and as I said, if this is a Class 158 badged as a 159, which equates to an existing (dare I say dated) model repainted, then that should be reflected in the price in my opinion. Interested to see what they do and depending on what they do, do... I might make a purchase.

And not forgetting the bogies are different on the Class 59 and Class 66.

[nukem]

I've just had a look at the 158/159 driver manual and the eight 3 car 158's that transferred to SWT from TransPennine came over in 2006 and the refurbishment to 159/1's were all completed in 2007, so if RSC/DTG use a re skinned version of an old model they could be seen in the original SWT livery, the refurbished SWT livery (which is the current one) and the TransPennine (there could be others but these are the ones that could be done for definite that I know of). However I would hazard a guess that we'll only get the current SWT livery (but I would love to be proven wrong). I for one would be happy with just the one livery if the model was new, correct and includes the correct accurate physics, have the 7 throttle notches, correct 3 step brake operation with enhanced emergency position, working DSD, correct cab setup and the extra 50bhp power difference between the /0 & /1's but I know that this is more than likely too much to ask and likely not to happen but it would be nice. If RSC/DTG wanted to be clever they could include both the 159/0 and the 159/1 with the two different power types (the 350bhp engines per coach on the /1's and the 400bhp engines per coach on the /0's) but again I doubt this will happen either but one can only hope.