WCML Over Shap

[gptech]

he's not human, he's a software program/humanoid/robot called K.E.I.T.H.

Kinetically Engineered Independant Train Haddict ?


...sorry....................

[firetrap1]

I don't think many people have seen his unreleased stuff yet. he pretty much completed every working line in Glasgow at one point.

[Drogba11CFC]

Ooh great, preston to BNS next?

My money's on Glasgow Central to Stranraer and Dumfries.

[1S811985]

Ooh great, preston to BNS next?

Nice as that prospect would be I'm hoping for another steam era route being next.

1S81

[1S811985]

I don't think many people have seen his unreleased stuff yet. he pretty much completed every working line in Glasgow at one point.

If he ever need the cash then he knows what to do...

I recall seeing a video of the Cathcart circle, looked very nice indeed.

1S81

[220389]

Ooh great, preston to BNS next?

If a Rail forum would get picked on for using BNS for Birmingham New Street sadly, although makes more sence then its actual station code BHM.

But as believe i mentioned earlier in the thread, To New Street i would love. Then can do my whole journey i do ingame Apart from the bit at the end from Edinburgh to Armadale.

I don't think many people have seen his unreleased stuff yet. he pretty much completed every working line in Glasgow at one point.

Hopefully we will get to see more at somepoint.

[37667]

This is the first ever full price, on day release purchase for me, and I have no regrets whatsoever!

This really has set the benchmark for all future routes, it's worth every penny!

WCMLN comes close, but this is the first route on TS that makes me feel like Iam almost there in real life, such is the level of detail and immersion. I have so many possible scenarios in my head for this one, I just don't have time to drive them all!

DTG should take note of these standards and aim to follow in this direction. If one man can do this, what can a team of guys achieve?!! Mr KR has just raised the bar again, even higher than we thought possible.

A huge thank you from me Keith, you've done yourself proud with this one! Can't wait for the next one..........

[yyyyamst]

On my local route, the Great Eastern, when the Class 86 were introduced after completion of the Norwich electrification, I met a driver, who said he enjoyed the challenge of the complexity of handling the tap changer mode of driving, compared to the previous Class 47's.

Chris

That's a good point you make. Driving a train is actually quite a boring thing sometimes (more so in a simulation), even for those of us that have an interest in it. Therefore having a more complicated machine to drive does make the overall experience more stimulating. Humans get bored with nothing to do.

I think some of us struggle in the sim with the neutral sections because we lack the route knowledge and traction knowledge that would be second nature to a real driver on the route everyday. The average simulator driver is trying to wrestle with factors like:

where exactly am I?
how far to the next station?
how sharp are the brakes on this loco?
what's my stopping distance from this speed?
are there any speed restrictions coming up?

Real drivers will know all of the above instinctively and so a little thing like negotiating a NS can be done with their eyes closed. For us simulator drivers wrestling with all these other factors whilst hurtling along at 100mph, a little thing like negotiating a NS can be the straw that breaks the camels back!

Personally I welcome them for the added complexity and to feel more like an actual driver in command .

Just to backup this comment which was made earlier, however I would not go so far as to say Train Driving is boring! I have been a Driver for 33 years on the West Coast Route. I have driven Class 81, Class 85 Class 86/87s and then onto Class 90s. The route over Shap certainly has become a favourite due to the fact I can again drive 86/87s again be it in a virtual world! The sim does a very good job but no matter how much detail or realism is put into these Locos it will never capture the task of Train driving in any realistic match. The Class 86/87 and 90 packs are very well represented, but all have faults in terms of realistic handling. The limits of the sim must play a big part in how real you can make thes Locos in terms of driving or handling characteristics. The packs however are well represented in my view.
My problem with driving virtual Locos stems from being used to working in a real environment that has been crammed into a small Screen. A Mouse and Keys to drive a Loco? When I brake a real 90 I feel a firm clunk as the Brake control goes through each step and I can feel exactly how the Train responds. The sim of course does not do any of this. I have read through the comments about Neutral sections etc and it really is summed up very well by the post I have quoted.

[smarty2]

This is the first ever full price, on day release purchase for me, and I have no regrets whatsoever!

This really has set the benchmark for all future routes, it's worth every penny!

WCMLN comes close, but this is the first route on TS that makes me feel like Iam almost there in real life, such is the level of detail and immersion. I have so many possible scenarios in my head for this one, I just don't have time to drive them all!

DTG should take note of these standards and aim to follow in this direction. If one man can do this, what can a team of guys achieve?!! Mr KR has just raised the bar again, even higher than we thought possible.

A huge thank you from me Keith, you've done yourself proud with this one! Can't wait for the next one..........

I think you are being a little unfair to DtG here, (everyone faints) I think Keith's work is exceptional but DtG's trackwork is excellent, no kinks or jagged bits I'm referring to SE lead in here, (no offence Keith) let's give DtG due when it is due.

[749006]

[quote="nschichan"- Class 360/390/EMUs: I seem to recall that the APC sensors are placed on the pantograph vehicles (rarely, if ever the first vehicle), and there is possibly more than one. This might complicate the scripting part.

Regards,[/quote]

With All Emu's the APC magnet will be found on the bogie under the Pantograph on one side only.
The Class 390 has two APC Magnets, one for each pantograph.

Peter

[749006]

The other thing you can't do across one of these is brake because operative regenerative braking will also cause a reset. On steeper downhill sections you have to be very careful to brake early enough so that the speed increase before you can brake again doesn't make you speed. You should also note that the braking on the Class 47 and on the 87 have been tweaked to be more like that on the later Class 66s so planning ahead becomes vital as there's a rather sluggish initiation.

It's great fun, though.

Keith

In theory you should be able to have the brakes on as you pass thru a Neutral Section.
The loco should trip out - the locos air brakes apply - and then after the neutral the the VCB resets and the regenerative braking comes back in and the loco brakes reduce in pressure.
That's how the real locos and units work.

Peter

[yyyyamst]

Peter,........
Just to add that any AC Locos (other than Class 86/87s) it is in order to make any degree of Brake application through Neutral Sections with no adverse effects. With the Auto Brake being applied you should see your Gauges showing the Train Brake reduced and the Traction Motor Needles reading in the green. As you pass over the first set of APC Magnets the VCB opens which isolates the 26000kv supply to the Loco. At this point the Traction Motor Needles drop to zero and the Loco Boggie Brake Gauges will compensate by making a corresponding application. Once the Loco passes over the second set of APC Magnets the VCB resets. The Loco Boggie Brake reading will drop to zero and the Traction Motor Needles will rise into the green to indicate the Rheo Brake on the Loco has re established. This does not apply to the Class 86/87s. In general Drivers avoid brake applications going through Neutrals as this can produce a slight jolt and sometimes the Rheo and Boggie Brakes can be super imposed together. Class 92s are completely different but that's something to watch for when the add on pack is released

[firetrap1]

Currently working on some AC scenarios this week to add to the list. Mostly featuring these consists:





chris

[Anthony061]

Currently working on some AC scenarios this week to add to the list. Mostly featuring these consists:





chris

WOW Very nice indeed! They look realistic to me however; I'm only 15 so I missed the loco hauled era
Anthony

[tango4262]

Awesome route!

Thanks Mr Ross!



Kind Regards


David